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Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
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Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance. They don't bother to fully read into the things these paranormal researchers have to say which addresses any objections these skeptics have. When you disagree with something whether it be an idea, an experiment, or a certain claim, you should fully look into anything that addresses your objections. Otherwise, you would just be jumping to conclusions. When drawing a certain conclusion, you should do so only after having conducted full research and having read all the objections being addressed. In short, keep an open mind through the whole journey until you finally arrive at the final destination whether that destination be accepting paranormal claims and findings as truth or rejecting them as woo or nonsense.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
That's nice.  So...do you have some ghost photography you'd like to present, or?
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
I'm fascinated by the paranormal, ghosts and the like.

I don't jump to any conclusions about it, however. I'm just not going to accept the claims without any testable evidence.

And these "ghosthunter" type shows only reinforce my scepticism.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
Quote:I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance.

Right.  What else have you got?
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
(April 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance. They don't bother to fully read into the things these paranormal researchers have to say which addresses any objections these skeptics have. When you disagree with something whether it be an idea, an experiment, or a certain claim, you should fully look into anything that addresses your objections. Otherwise, you would just be jumping to conclusions. When drawing a certain conclusion, you should do so only after having conducted full research and having read all the objections being addressed. In short, keep an open mind through the whole journey until you finally arrive at the final destination whether that destination be accepting paranormal claims and findings as truth or rejecting them as woo or nonsense.

It's a well known fact of psychology that people take short cuts in reasoning about the world. The idea that this or that particular area should be handled without appeal to these shortcuts is as irrational as it is futile. We tend to rely on consensus and method to weed out reliable claims from unreliable claims, as well as the fact that past performance predicts future behavior. Are these shortcuts? Sure. But do they produce a robust representation of truth and reality? I would argue that they do. Your complaint is long on principle and short on practicality. If we gave every advocate of every belief the type of treatment you here want us to reserve for the paranormal, we'd never have time for anything else. On top of that, it's possible that the reliability of our conclusions would be harmed instead of helped, as the wisdom of the crowd outperforms individual judgements in the bulk of situations.

So my question for you would be why you feel that treating only claims of the paranormal in this way is in any sense wise?
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
(April 6, 2018 at 6:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance. They don't bother to fully read into the things these paranormal researchers have to say which addresses any objections these skeptics have. When you disagree with something whether it be an idea, an experiment, or a certain claim, you should fully look into anything that addresses your objections. Otherwise, you would just be jumping to conclusions. When drawing a certain conclusion, you should do so only after having conducted full research and having read all the objections being addressed. In short, keep an open mind through the whole journey until you finally arrive at the final destination whether that destination be accepting paranormal claims and findings as truth or rejecting them as woo or nonsense.

It's a well known fact of psychology that people take short cuts in reasoning about the world.  The idea that this or that particular area should be handled without appeal to these shortcuts is as irrational as it is futile.  We tend to rely on consensus and method to weed out reliable claims from unreliable claims, as well as the fact that past performance predicts future behavior.  Are these shortcuts?  Sure.  But do they produce a robust representation of truth and reality?  I would argue that they do.  Your complaint is long on principle and short on practicality.  If we gave every advocate of every belief the type of treatment you here want us to reserve for the paranormal, we'd never have time for anything else.  On top of that, it's possible that the reliability of our conclusions would be harmed instead of helped, as the wisdom of the crowd outperforms individual judgements in the bulk of situations.

So my question for you would be why you feel that treating only claims of the paranormal in this way is in any sense wise?

But the paranormal researchers would even reject to this as well.  They would say that the skeptics are drawing the wrong conclusions through faulty methods and shortcuts.  Therefore, I think it really all comes down to my method because you could be wrong here.  Likewise, the researchers could be wrong and the skeptics might be right when saying that we can reject and dismiss paranormal claims and experiments based upon those methods and shortcuts you've mentioned.  So, who is right and who is wrong here?  Again, it all comes down to my method of doing the full research into this to find out for sure.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions

(April 6, 2018 at 6:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance. They don't bother to fully read into the things these paranormal researchers have to say which addresses any objections these skeptics have. When you disagree with something whether it be an idea, an experiment, or a certain claim, you should fully look into anything that addresses your objections. Otherwise, you would just be jumping to conclusions. When drawing a certain conclusion, you should do so only after having conducted full research and having read all the objections being addressed. In short, keep an open mind through the whole journey until you finally arrive at the final destination whether that destination be accepting paranormal claims and findings as truth or rejecting them as woo or nonsense.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
(April 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance.

WHAT paranormal findings?!

Shy
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
(April 6, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance.

WHAT paranormal findings?!

Shy

You know, that tingly feeling at the back of your neck and the shivers that run up your spine when you're spooked.  
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
(April 6, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Hammy Wrote: WHAT paranormal findings?!

Shy

You know, that tingly feeling at the back of your neck and the shivers that run up your spine when you're spooked.  

I only get the shivers listening to beautiful music. When I'm spooked I shake, I don't get a tingly feeling.

And I don't get spooked over non-haunted houses and other stupid paranormal shit.

(April 6, 2018 at 5:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I'm fascinated by the paranormal, ghosts and the like.

Really?!

Damn. And we used to be such great friends Tongue

Guess I have to remove my rep point for you now in shame. Tongue
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