(November 5, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Here's the thing. When I move my arm, nerves connected to my muscle fire causing the muscles to contract. That nerve is connected to another nerve and so on up into the brain itself. If the consciousness which causes my arm to move is immaterial, someplace in the brain it has to connect up to the very material nerves. At that point there will be nerves magically firing without any material cause evident. So your claim that the consciousness which moves the arm is non-material amounts to a claim that someplace in the brain, a literal miracle is occurring: nerves firing without any apparent input. Unless you've got evidence of that, you've got nothing. Parsimony says that if the material brain is sufficient for the creation of mind - and it appears it is - there's no reason to add speculative "other forces" that we have no evidence of.
Yog.
You got a similar problem as the Nutter.
Both of you try to formulate and express thoughts that are beyond your capacity to understand.
You need to start with good foundation and for foundations in this case i mean to understand how the mind works.
I already explained you how the onion mind works.
There are layers and layers of mind.
From the outer mind to the inner mind or the I or consciousness.
The problem with most people is that they can not go deep into the real I so they have no choices but to use the outer mind which doesn't really help much and with this limited knowledge they think they know everything.
As a driver is inside a vehicle also a consciousness is inside a body as life goes on.
This being stuck to a body comport that you are in charge of that body.
You give orders, you are the boss.
You don't need to be material-physical to make that body work.
Why should you?
There is no need for.
But let us go back to the onion mind.
The inner layer of the mind is 100% pure and abstract in the sense that is not physical but as the layers get more and more externalised toward the outer mind there is less and less purity and the differences
between outer mind and the brain become more and more similar so the connection become possible.
The subtle (pure consciousness) get connect to the material-physical part because in between we got like a bridge and that bridge is made of the external layers of the mind.
In this way the pure consciousness connect to the material-physical part without being physical itself.
This is how the system works but i really doubt you can understand.
