RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
November 6, 2015 at 11:36 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2015 at 11:40 am by Ben Davis.)
I can't believe that this thread is still going. Nearly 100 pages, too! Rik, if nothing else, I congratulate you on managing to waste so much of everyone's time.
We're not anything like 'drivers' because we're not separate entities to the 'vehicle'; 'we' are what it feels like to be the car in operation.
(November 6, 2015 at 9:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: You need to start with good foundation and for foundations in this case i mean to understand how the mind works.Physician, heal thyself.
Quote:I already explained you how the onion mind works.Nope, there are 2 'layers', the autonomic and the voluntary. You have a modicum of control over the voluntary responses (less than you might think) but have no control over the autonomic. Some people talk about 'conscious' and 'subconscious' within the voluntary functions but neurologically, the subconscious is a series of autonomic functions of which we can be voluntarily aware. It appears that your understanding of 'how the mind works' is in direct conflict with the current, expert and demonstrably factual knowledge.
There are layers and layers of mind.
From the outer mind to the inner mind or the I or consciousness.
Quote:The problem with most people is that they can not go deep into the real I so they have no choices but to use the outer mind which doesn't really help much and with this limited knowledge they think they know everything.That sentence means nothing.
Quote:As a driver is inside a vehicle also a consciousness is inside a body as life goes on.This is such a bad analogy. I'll try and work with it, since it's the best you have to offer.
We're not anything like 'drivers' because we're not separate entities to the 'vehicle'; 'we' are what it feels like to be the car in operation.
Quote:This being stuck to a body comport that you are in charge of that body.We can only 'give orders' to our voluntary functions. The rest works by itself, as long as it gets nervous signals.
You give orders, you are the boss.
Quote:You don't need to be material-physical to make that body work.Well, you contradict your own analogy with this statement: if the driver isn't physical, how does steering work?
Quote:Why should you? There is no need for....except steering. And stick-shift...
Quote:But let us go back to the onion mind.Nope, couldn't be more wrong. The autonomic functions are the least mysterious, least abstract ones as they're all about simple, neurochemical & nervous responses. As an example, capillary function is autonomic and without it, your fingers would fall off.
The inner layer of the mind is 100% pure and abstract in the sense that is not physical but as the layers get more and more externalised toward the outer mind there is less and less purity and the differences
Quote:between outer mind and the brain become more and more similar so the connection become possible.Once again, you contradict yourself. You describe a physical bridge but then say that the bridge isn't physical. You, sir, are making this up as you go along.
The subtle (pure consciousness) get connect to the material-physical part because in between we got like a bridge and that bridge is made of the external layers of the mind.
In this way the pure consciousness connect to the material-physical part without being physical itself.
Quote:This is how the system works but i really doubt you can understand.Evidence, please. If this is really how the system works, you must be able to provide evidence that completely overturns the best scientific explanations of neurology. Until you can show it, you can't claim that it's knowledge of any kind.
Sum ergo sum