(March 4, 2009 at 9:45 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: something that exists physically in outside reality; that we have evidence OF.
But maths is evidently a very strong tool for helping us understand the world.
fr0d0 Wrote:Faith is exactly that.
Well I didn't mean exactly; I was referring to your response to what I said here.
If faith is also a very strong tool for helping us understand the world; how exacly is it? And how does it help us understand?
I have been trying to ask you two things: 1. Why the existence of God doesn't require evidence the same as any other existence claim does.
And 2. How exactly does faith, - 'belief without evidence' - help us understand the world according to you?
Also: you can't expect us to believe that God doesn't require evidence like anything else simply by your bare assertion. Any other existence claim is a scientific claim that requires evidence; why should the existence of God not require evidence? Why should merely the emptiness of faith; the emptiness of 'lack of evidence' be given any support to be used on a subject like 'God'? Why is the existence of God to be treated any differently than the existence of anything else?
And about you saying I was insulting; all I said is that you appear to be making excuses. Basically it has something to do with your digressions and the fact that I think you keep making bare assertions and refuse to back them up; telling me that I need to prove that it's NOT so.
And if you find THAT insulting then bloody hell. What don't you find insulting? I mean it's just my own opinion from an observation. Where was the insult? I'm just trying to actually discuss with you without all the frustrating, pointless digressions.
You started this thread saying it's ridiculous for belief in God to require any evidence. I am yet to see you back it up. If people (or at least some people, most people, etc) require evidence for the existence of other things; why on earth is it ridiculous for the same to be required for God? How exactly is the existence of God a special case?
And HOW does 'faith' have any bearing on the existence of God exactly?
How does it have any bearing on anything for that matter?
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