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fairy tales and lies
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RE: fairy tales and lies
(November 15, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Lek Wrote:
(November 15, 2015 at 4:18 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yup. It seems some people can't tell the difference between "I thought I experienced X" and "I actually experienced X". It's to declare yourself not only infallible, but able of analysing and categorising things totally outside the scope of current human knowledge.

Sorry, you can convince yourself but not me. I'm all too familiar with how unreliable the human brain is, and of our tendency to spot patterns and assign agency when there is none.

Imagine a kid who tells you they really did meet Santa. The actual magical Santa. This is absolutely no different. Would you believe them, just on their say so?

Not too many people have claimed to see Santa or UFOs, but millions upon millions have believed in God and christianity. In fact, many if not most, of the greatest minds of western civilization in the last 2,000 years have been christians or theists of one kind or another.
Argumentum ad populem. Popularity =/= truth. The whole civilized world also used to believe the sun revolved around the Earth, until science proved that wrong.

It is also worth pointing out that the majority of famous scientists currently alive today cobsider themselves either agnostic or atheist. No matter how brilliantly intelligent people are, they are still susceptible to popular opinion, or simply being raised in a religious household. Most of them did not actually conduct tests or research to ensure that their God existed. Most were either raised in a religion or fell prey to its influence in their society. That is the reason most were theist.

Let's think about the spread of Christianity. How long ago did it start? Something like 2000 years ago. A time when science was primitive and people believed rain was the act of a deity. Since humanity as a whole was a lot more ignorant, it was easy for people to accept the religion. And there are a lot of appeals in it that were absent in other faiths, and that helped it spread, unrelated to its acual validity. So spread it did.

But the question more prevalent is, why is it still popular today? It MUST be true in that case. But no. You see, a fair majority of Christians are Christians for the same reason you are: they were raised into it. Indoctrinated from birth, and raised in an environment that encouraged and advocated that religion. The second majority are the people who live in a Christian area like America, who live in a society where Christianity is, again, encouraged. These people are absorbed into the religion by friends or family members. The third major portion of believers are those who are raised in a Christian-prevalent society and who "come to Jesus" in a period of hard times, whether it be money, school, or relationship issues. Religion is like a coping mechanism for these individuals.

This is why your religion is still popular. Because, you might have failed to realize, there are rarely, if ever, people who come into the religion by just talking with Jesus or meeting with him, never knowing him to exist in the first place. Jesus does not speak to anyone directly. They are either indoctrinated or they are influenced. Taught not to question.

So it isn't much of an argument to say that your religion is true because a lot of people believe it. You are Christian because you were raised in the right country. If you were born in India, you'd most likely believe in the Hindu gods. If you were born in Africa, you'd worship the deities of the African tribes. And if you had been born during the height of the Greek empire, you'd be believing in Zeus.

Does this make sense?
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fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by LastPoet - November 8, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by houseofcantor - November 8, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 8, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by houseofcantor - November 8, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 8, 2015 at 10:03 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by jenny1972 - November 8, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Athene - November 8, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Cyberman - November 9, 2015 at 7:19 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 8, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Aroura - November 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 9, 2015 at 5:22 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by brewer - November 8, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by dyresand - November 8, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by brewer - November 9, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 9, 2015 at 5:38 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by KevinM1 - November 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 10, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 10, 2015 at 2:54 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Lek - November 9, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 9, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 10, 2015 at 3:02 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 10, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 11, 2015 at 2:44 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Lek - November 15, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Vincent - November 15, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Lek - November 15, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Vincent - November 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by drfuzzy - November 15, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by IATIA - November 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Lek - November 15, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Vincent - November 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Lek - November 15, 2015 at 11:54 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by IATIA - November 15, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Cyberman - November 15, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: fairy tales and lies - by Vincent - November 16, 2015 at 1:58 am
RE: fairy tales and lies - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 2:09 am

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