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The real message of Islam.
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RE: The real message of Islam.
So in relation to Quranm 4:157, Allah doesn't care if the biggest religion, a religion of Shirk, is created? Why? It's still bad if Allah allowed it to happen instead of the supposed Hadith interpretation of Allah actively decieving people.

How can people not know that it wasn't Jesus? You'd think someone that well known ay that time would not be mistaken for someone else. The Romans loved their records and, because of this, people have begun question whether Jesus even existed.

I really dislike the story of Adam and Eve. Don't get me started. There's so many issues I see with it.

In relation to Quran 3:85, I bring Quran 2:62
"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

So Christians, Jews, Samaritans (who also follow Jewish scripture) and Sabains will all be accepted by Allah. This seems to be in direct contradiction to Quran 3:85. If Christians are committing Shirk then how can they get into Jannah? After all, Quran 5:73 says this: "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them."

For Quran 2:62 to be true, Christians must not be committing Shirk (i.e. belief in the Trinity) at the time the Quran was being revealed. But Quran 5:73 says that they were believers in the Trinity at the time. I am very confused. Is it the case that within the space of just a few short years (between the revaluation of Quran 5:73 and Quran 2:62) enough Christians start believing in the Trinity to justify Quran 5:73? I find that hard to believe.

So even though Quran 6:114-115 says none can change the words of Allah, the words of Allah changed. When were the words of Allah in the previous scriptures changed? Was it before Muhammad or after? If it was before, why would Allah wait to correct the scriptures? And secondly, where is this "uncorrupted" version of the Bible? How come we haven't found a Bible that agrees with the Quran?

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The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 7, 2015 at 7:32 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 7, 2015 at 7:42 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Napoléon - November 7, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Homeless Nutter - November 7, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ignoramus - November 7, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 7, 2015 at 8:13 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by abaris - November 7, 2015 at 8:19 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 7, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by abaris - November 7, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 8:30 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Bob Kelso - November 7, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 8:46 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 7, 2015 at 8:50 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Cato - November 7, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 9:11 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 7, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 8, 2015 at 3:24 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Mudhammam - November 8, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Nay_Sayer - November 7, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by downbeatplumb - November 7, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Anomalocaris - November 7, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 7, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Spooky - November 7, 2015 at 6:48 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 7, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 8, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Minimalist - November 7, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 8, 2015 at 1:43 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by IATIA - November 8, 2015 at 1:50 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 9, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 9, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 6:21 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 6:32 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 6:38 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 6:48 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Valkyrie - November 9, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 6:51 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 7:01 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 7:32 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 7:37 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by pocaracas - November 10, 2015 at 7:22 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by pocaracas - November 10, 2015 at 7:45 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 7:36 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - November 10, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 8:06 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Spooky - November 10, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 10, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 10, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 10, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 10, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 10, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 10, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 11, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 12, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Cyberman - November 12, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 13, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2015 at 5:46 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 10, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Grand Nudger - November 12, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by WinterHold - November 16, 2015 at 4:37 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 5:02 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 16, 2015 at 5:51 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Brian37 - November 16, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ignoramus - November 13, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - November 13, 2015 at 7:26 pm
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Minimalist - November 14, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 14, 2015 at 1:14 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Edwardo Piet - November 14, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by Edwardo Piet - November 14, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 4:42 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 5:20 am
RE: The real message of Islam. - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 6:05 am

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