(November 17, 2015 at 9:21 am)Ben Davis Wrote:(November 16, 2015 at 11:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: You clearly do not understand the human psychology...This statement shows that it's you who has an over-simplified understanding of psychology: you do not necessarily need 'a reason not to believe'. For most people it's enough simply to not have a a reason to believe. For example, you may not believe because you have no awareness of the belief: specifically, there are plenty of gods which other people believe in that I have no clue about. In that case, I have no 'reason not to believe', I simply have an absence of belief. The same will be true for you.
...By not believing in something you still search in your mind for a reason not to believe.
Mr. Confusion.

An absence of belief is different from not believing.
By not believing you build your decision on certain grounds while your absence of believe
as you say come from not be aware of.

Quote:Atheists always rely on science to disbelieve a possible God.
Quote:No, no, no, no, no! This is just untrue! You've been told this a hundred times! There are many reasons why people don't believe in any gods. For example most paganisms are atheistic (there are no theistic gods) however pagan atheism is based on a completely unscientific set of propositions. There are also atheists who have been raised with no religion of any kind, they simply lack the childhood indoctrination that many theisms rely on for propagation; once again, no scientific basis for the atheism. There are atheists who disbelieve on ethical or philosophical grounds: they find the concepts of worship, redemption, eternal life or any other theistic claim as unsupportable. Once again, no science needed.[/quote]
More confusion.
You just can not disbelieve on philosophical ground.
Philosophy lead to God so it is impossible to build a disbelieve in God on this ground.
Philosophy is all about love for wisdom.
Wisdom goes well over the border of this physical reality.
Wisdom is not something physical-material or mental.
It goes a lot further into the inner self and in this place there is no question on who is who.
Quote:There are atheists who disbelieve for scientific reasons and they may even form the majority on this board but to assume that all atheists disbelieve for that reason is a poor over-simplification that you've adopted in order to reinforce your own cognitive bias. Stop it.
Let us agree that there are some atheists that disbelieve for other reason other than the scientific reasons.
I haven't find any so far but let us assume that there are some.
Quote:Gee, i just had my dinner.
Quote:So you're sickened by Hawking's disability? That gives me insight to your personality that I think should be highlighted for our audience.
You presume Ben, do you?
You are wrong again Ben.
I just can't stand that guy because all he says are untested theories that don't make any sense.
Quote:The bloke state that there is no God but where is his evidence?
Quote:Read his books, please. Start with 'A Brief History of Time' and go from there.
A waste of time Ben.
We have big bangs all the time.
That is not how the universe started.
Quote:I didn't say that atheists are such and such.
I instead say that most of you don't care about it.
Quote:Apologies if I misrepresented your position. Let's examine your claim that with 'most don't care'. Stats show that atheists are more likely to be 'sensation seekers'. So we do smoke/drink/etc. more but that's because we're less repressed. Doesn't seem like much of religious win to me.
Less repressed?
I would have thought that not to introduce s.hit in our body is all about wisdom?

Quote:All this intellectual jargon to say nothing that make any sense?
Quote:By trying to blame me for your lack of comprehension, you look foolish.
Comprendo, comprendo mate, don't worry about that.

Quote:If you really think that you know how the mind works why don't you tell me what is the difference between outer and inner mind?![]()
Quote:I did. In my response to you here, page 93, post #924.
Ehm, Ben.
I think you confuse the nervous system with the onion mind.

Quote:I always said that intellectuals are losers.![]()
Quote:...which explains your lack of intellect. You're shooting yourself in the foot.
Strange Ben but i don't feel any pain in my foot.

Quote:You just contradict yourself Ben.
First you say that science doesn't contradict atheism and then you say that science can demonstrate that claims about God are false.
Are you kidding me by telling me that science play no role in no believing?
Quote:I've already stated why science is incapable of 'contradicting atheism' as have many others, many times. I'm not going to repeat myself again; you're not a child so stop acting like one. Also, I've never said that science can play 'no part', I've always said that it doesn't necessarily play a part. You're the one who's been making crass and erroneous generalisations.
Of course Ben.
We shouldn't generalize considering that there may be 1 or 2 % of atheists that do not rely on physical science to disbelieve in God.
