RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
November 18, 2015 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 18, 2015 at 4:23 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: I already get that you totally disagree with me and hate me as a person.
Yeah I disagree but how does that mean I hate you as a person? I detest a lot of the things you've said but although I hate the behaviors and comments of some people I don't really hate anyone as a person. I don't believe in free will and I believe that although everyone has choices and makes decisions, and everyone has legal and moral responsibilities, I don't believe in ultimate absolute responsability and I don't believe any choices or decisions are fully free.
I see it pointless to hate a person when I feel we should instead be focusing on what really matters: Mitigating suffering and deterring harm and immorality. I also see retribution as nothing but destructive.
So while I hate a lot of the things you said on this thread, no I don't hate you as a person but I ultimately don't' hate anyone as a person, although I am human and I can get riled sometimes.
Quote: btw I also want to remind you that I was ganged up by fucking everyone, for the past 2 days and had no one backing me up. So if you think that I'm not going to start getting fierce in what I say then you're just an unfair person.
Not backing you up doesn't equate to unfairness. No one here is your lawyer, I would only back you up if I felt your posts deserved backing. And you were mistaken to ever think I backed you, I was arguing against a particular comment made against you but I would have reacted the same to that regardless of who that was addressed to.
Quote:Btw, I'd really like it if you'd respond to my last post
Very well but only because I would do the same for anyone else, and because it doesn't require much time and energy to do so. In fact I was just about to respond anyway but then I saw this post and chose to respond to this one first. I tend to always respond to forum users regardless of whether they are being a dick or being reasonable. The only time I don't bother is if it's a subject I feel completely ignorant of and I feel my comments are worthless - and I am also not being addressed - or if I'm basically having a futile debate with a theist that is going nowhere I sometimes end the debate and no longer bother responding to them on the matter with a comment similar to this: "Look , I used to debate with theists all the time here on AF but these days I see it as pointless and futile, so seen as we clearly aren't getting anywhere I'm done here. You can declare "victory" as much as you want it doesn't make your skydaddy any more real."
Ok so I'll respond now:
(November 18, 2015 at 4:09 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Okay, so since it seems like we've mostly settled down now, I would like to use this time to accentuate a point that I made two days ago. The double standard that we just witnessed in this thread is my case and point. The reason that people have ganged up on me, which I have held out through, through a brutal roasting for the past 2 days, is because I was speaking out against feminism. If I were speaking out against anti feminists, there would have likely been a lot of people getting behind me, watching my back.
I disagree, I think the real reason why people are pissed off with you is because you started by grossly misrepresenting what feminism actually is at its core and then you didn't like it when people called you out on that, and then you didn't like it even more when people didn't like you insulting them and being a rude asshole. The fact you continued to sling insults but remained shocked when others did the same back is the real double standard here.
Quote:My reaction in this thread is a response to the tone of the posters. I solemnly swear that my true nature as a human being is good, but I can easily be swayed to a more defensive and stand offish position.
Swear as much as you want. I believe you are trying to be good but I will consider you good only when your behavior demonstrates that consistently and for long enough that you are no longer the same person who resorted to completely inexcusable behavior and comments that were bigoted and cruel.
Quote:As we've seen in this thread, there's a lot of people who seem to take joy in this. I don't have anything against you, without the heat of arguments going on. I believe in the deeply complex nature of human emotions, and I'm sure if you try it yourself you can look past anything that was said erroneously.
I already don't hate you as a person, I don't hate anyone as I explained earlier in this post. I don't need to "try" it is very condescending for you to act like the more moral person here. What I do hate is the way you have behaved in this thread, and as for my ever seeing past it, as I said just above:
Evie Wrote:I will consider you good only when your behavior demonstrates that consistently and for long enough that you are no longer the same person who resorted to completely inexcusable behavior and comments that were bigoted and cruel.
Quote:In loo of the unfortunate fight that I've been seeing on the last couple pages, I would just like to reiterate that if feminists didn't automatically feel that they're right about their point, they wouldn't feel the need to erroneously laugh off everything that is said against them.
"Feminists" don't do that at all. That is both a massive misrepresentation and a hugely gross sweeping generalization of a group of people. It's bigoted to suggest that all feminists are that way, or even that the majority are. Feminism at its core is merely supporting the rights of women, it is egalitarianism, true feminists don't hate men at all, they are pro-women's rights not anti-men's rights. And that is VERY different.
Quote:I know that it may be a bit of a martyrdom to say this, but you know that good deeds never go unpunished.It's not martydom, what it is is another false generalization and a trite platitude. Good people can do good things and get wrongly punished or rightly rewarded, bad people can also do bad things and get rightly punished (depending on the punishment and if it actually deters immoral behavior and/or mitigates suffering) or wrongly rewarded. Real life isn't all black and white and simple. Life is complicated and has all the colours of the rainbow and every shade. It can't be summed up with a cliché.
Quote:Thank you, thank each and every one of you.
I wonder if you genuinely mean that? You haven't behaved like you're remotely grateful, in fact you're behaved much more hateful than grateful.
If you want my honest opinion this seems like false modesty on your part. It doesn't mean you're not at least making an effort to better yourself now, and if you are making that effort that is good. So don't let me discourage that effort with my comment that you seem to have false modesty here. It's just the way I feel, what I think and my honest opinion.
Quote:At this point in time I hold no negative feelings for any of you
Hmm.... well I hope that really is the case... regardless of whether it is true or not, try to make your behavior and posts reflect that absence of negative feelings towards people in future, rather than leaving hateful comments and acting childish.