RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
November 19, 2015 at 12:28 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2015 at 12:32 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 18, 2015 at 10:31 pm)Evie Wrote:(November 18, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Then you agree with Catholics that Protestants aren't true Christians, for instance?
No... I don't know what gave you that idea? The definition of Christian doesn't exclude Protestantism, Protestantism is a subset of Christianity. The fact Catholics think otherwise doesn't make them right.
The fact is that the Catholic Church put together the original definition of "Christian". By your standard given above it follows that anyone who deviates from that standard -- which certainly would include Protestants -- are not true Christians.
Quote: was merely pointing out that the NTS fallacy is commonly misunderstood and used incorrectly, so I provided you with the correct definition. I used to misuse it too.
I think you're engaging I that fallacy right now, myself.
Quote:I drew an analogy between atheism and feminism to explain how different groups of feminists don't define feminism itself just as different groups of atheists don't define atheism itself. True, as language develops bastardized definitions also become official definitions sometimes, but then in that case let's not equivocate the different definitions of the same thing.
Understood. But I don't think any one group has the authority to commandeer a word -- not even those who originally defined it -- because in language, usage is regnant.
Quote: The primary definition of feminism at the very least = Pro-women's rights and if there really is a bastardized version of feminism that has become an official definition in the dictionary, then let's recognize when the equivocation fallacy is made and people conflate the two.
My point is not so much about the book definition as it is about how a word is used, because that is ultimately what decides the official definition, not the other way around.
Quote:Either way, different groups of feminists don't define feminism just as different groups of atheists don't define atheism. The dictionary defines feminism and atheism. If a group of atheists get together who think all religious people should be killed they don't define atheism itself at all. They're just a group of murderous people who happen to be atheists. Same thing would apply to a bunch of feminists who got together thinking all men should be killed. They don't define feminism. And feminists who also happen to be anti-men don't define feminism just as atheists who also happen to be anti-theists don't define atheism.
The thing is, definitions follow usage, they do not dictate it. New words, denotations, and connotations are added to the dictionary only after their usage has become widespread enough to warrant such addition.
Quote:From the dictionary: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
I don't care how many feminist groups there are that get together who are also anti-men, they don't define feminism itself. The above definition defines feminism.
I get that. But language is a living, breathing thing.
Be aware, I'm not supporting any generalization being made in this thread.