RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
November 19, 2015 at 12:34 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2015 at 12:35 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 19, 2015 at 12:28 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The fact is that the Catholic Church put together the original definition of "Christian". By your standard given above it follows that anyone eh deviates from that standard -- which certainly would include Protestants -- are not true Christians.
Nah, defintions can change. The dicionary today is where things are defined today not who originally defined it.
Quote:I think you're engaging I that fallacy right now, myself.
Well re-read the definition of the NTS fallacy then. It requires an ad-hoc bait and switch, not merely saying "no true X". If I say "No true atheists believe in God" for example, it's not the NTS fallacy.
Quote:Understood. But I don't think any one group has the authority to commandeer a word -- not even those who originally defined it -- because in language, usage is regnant.
I agree. The groups don't define it at all, the dictionary does.
Quote:My point is not so much about the book definition as it is about how a word is used, because that is ultimately what decides the official definition, not the other way around.
Yes, ultimately that is where the definitions come from and definitions change overtime... but a group still doesn't define the definition used.
Quote:The thing is, definitions follow usage, they do not dictate it. New words, denotations, and connotations are added to the dictionary only after their usage has become widespread enough to warrant such addition.
Indeed, but unless the definition of feminism that involves essentially being pro-women's rights and equality for both sexes ever ends up being required to be dropped from the dictionary altogether, then any other definition used is irrelevant to that definition. To conflate any other definition with that definition is to commit the equivocation fallacy.
Quote:I get that. But language is a living, breathing thing.
I agree but see above.
Quote:Be aware, I'm not supporting any generalization being made in this thread.
I believe that. I know you're a very reasonable person I wouldn't think that of you
