(November 24, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You mean because people who wrote the books say their god says so. The best we ever get is second hand information at best. Though even the dead sea scrolls aren't original documents, so we don't even have second hand information.Speak for yourself. I got first hand info. Everything I know about hell was experienced long before I picked up a bible and studied it. I learned about Hell, by experience and then read my bible that confirmed what I learned.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
If you truly want to know what Hell is like simply ask God to send you.. just know that He has promised anyone who wants to go, a trip there. (just not always a trip back)
Quote:Is Satan a person? Is Yahweh? I'd say neither are, but I'm not a believer.they are not. So then why would your 'person' rule apply to satan's time in Hell?
Quote:Are you talking about Satan, who told us we could be better than what we are,better how? Better like The Taliban, ISIS, Nazis? or better like North Korea, the KKK or Hirohito's Japan? How is this better than being able to spend time with God face to Face? How is constant war Better, poverty, sickness, and hardship 'better?'
Quote:Yahweh who cursed us?cursed how child birth and work?
Quote:I'd say the person who caused us so much pain should be severely punished, but I think we have differing opinions on who is at fault. Assuming either of those individuals are real.So what should be done to the one who caused all this pain and suffering? Eternity in Hell?
Quote:Well hell is a christian belief, so of course it wouldn't be mentioned in the six day creation, but the six day creation acts like the rest of the universe took a day to create because people back then didn't realize what the stars actually are.what???
Quote:If I don't have free will, I can't be held accountable for anything. So there won't be any judgement. You may have a different idea of what free will is.Who says?
Did slaves have free will? Were they ever given 'choice' over anything? and if they abused said choices were they not ever held accountable?
What philosophical delusion do you live in that slaves were never held accountable to the limited choices they/we are given?
Many people claim to be able to speak directly to their god of choice, but none have been able to show the guy.
Well for something to exist, it has to be a person, place, thing, or idea. Places can be spooky. Things can be dangerous. Ideas can be off the wall at times. None of those things can want anything.
Childbirth. Work. Mortality. Death. Thorns. Predation. All manner of things your god lets happen because anyone dares to not be completely dependent on him.
The Taliban and ISIS are religious groups worhiping the same Abrahamic god you do. Nazis were religious. North Korea is a dictatorship, much like your god's views of how things work. I'm not actually familiar with Hirohito. The worst places in the world tend to be places of extreme religious beliefs, or places where one person or a small group of people hold all the power. Something not unlike the kind of system your god believes in. Where he holds all the power, and everyone who takes one step out of line dies. if we think people like Kim Jong Un are so horrible, is it any wonder why people would think someone like Yahweh is horrible too? The irony is that the better countries in the world tend to be those who don't have dictators or religious fundamentalists running the show.
I would never inflict an eternity of suffering for finite crimes. That would be evil.
If an abused slave tries to run away, the problem isn't that he's a bad disobedient slave. The problem is that he was enslaved at all.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html