(December 1, 2015 at 1:49 am)Minimalist Wrote: The mother gets to decide what is in her womb.....
I would take this further and grant that everyone has the right to decide what happens to their body, which includes the rights of men to do what they want to their bodies, as well as all transgender people who elect to have surgery.
My rights to decide what happens with and to my body, though, end when my choice affects someone else's body against their will.
(December 1, 2015 at 2:08 am)Nestor Wrote: I certainly don't care what a woman does with her body, though at some point when her pregnancy is far enough along that the fetus is viable I do think there is an ethical dilemma.
And anti-choicers bank on that ethical dilemma when they force through legislation making it harder and harder for women to have abortions prior to fetal viability. They close down clinics and implement ridiculous requirements for the remaining clinics to be licensed as ambulatory surgical centers and for physicians performing the procedures to have admitting privileges at hospitals as a way of making it difficult for women to get the procedure done before the fetus can survive outside the womb. And once that magic line is crossed, they then demonize the woman for wanting to kill a baby that could survive if she would only just give birth to it.
Quote:United States Constitution
Amendment XIII
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
By telling women that by becoming pregnant they effective lose their right to make decisions about their own body, you are turning them into people under involuntary servitude to the baby growing inside them. You are effectively turning them into slaves.
Quote:United States Constitution
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Unborn fetuses are not legally considered citizens of the United States, so when you say that a pregnant woman loses the right to make decisions about her own body once pregnant in deference to the baby growing inside her, you are taking rights away from a recognized citizen and giving rights to a baby who is not a citizen, has no legal standing and who, for 24-28 of the 40 weeks we're talking about, cannot even independently survive (depending on the developmental maturity of the baby)
If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one.
If you think it's wrong to abort a pregnancy, fine, nobody is stopping you from having that opinion.
But do not shame women for having to make an incredibly difficult decision. Do not take away their choice about what happens to them. Do not shackle them to the medical consequences of a pregnancy against their will. Don't tell them it's only nine months and they can put it up for adoption once its born like it's easy to go to work with morning sickness and fatigue, like it's easy to be a single pregnant woman or a married mother who knows she can't afford another child, like it's easy to be reminded every day that you were raped.
Women have the right to decide what happens to their own bodies.
Everyone has the right to decide what happens to their own bodies.
I have the right to decide what happens to my body.
Do not take my rights away.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.