(December 1, 2015 at 1:15 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:(November 30, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't agree with the argument that a fetus has no right to be in his/her mom's womb. If he/she was conceived there, that is exactly where they are supposed to be. That is how nature was designed to work, that is how it was all intended to be.
World's worst argument to bring to an atheist forum.
Let me clarify. I was not referring to God at all when I said that lol. I was simply referring to the reality of the world we live in and how we, all of us, come into existence. How do we not have the right to be in our mother's wombs when that is what we evolved to do? That is what humanity's existance depends on. And our bodies evolved specifically to cater to that. You might as well say we don't have the right to use up oxygen from the Earth's air or something lol. That is the whole evolutionary purpose of why we have that entire part of our bodies. A fetus is supposed to be there. So yes, it has the right to be there. That is the natural order of our world and of the continuation of the human species. It's not like some big bad baby just barges forcefully into some random chick's body without "asking for permission" lol. He is a completely innocent bystander of natural order, as we all were too when we were conceived and lived in our mom's wombs for 9 months.
Anyway, I don't mean to harp on this, and I hate for any discussion to be going in circles. But I felt like I had to repeat myself again in order to clarify that this argument has nothing to do with God.
(December 1, 2015 at 1:15 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:(November 30, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I know I'm just reiterating what Tib already said, but talking like a baby has no business being in his/her mom's womb just sounds silly to me, so I figured I'd comment.
But no one is saying a mother's baby has no business being in its mom's womb. We're just saying no rapist's baby has any right to her womb. Which baby's are the mother's? Ask her. If she chooses not to incubate her attackers DNA that is her right to decline.
But people here aren't making the argument that abortion should only be okay in cases of rape lol. The argument being made is that abortion should always be okay. Through all 9 months of pregnancy, no matter what reason. Because a women has the bodily autonomy to abort her offspring, and that bodily autonomy does not go away for any reason at any stage of the pregnancy. That is the current argument being made, and the one I am replying to. Since abortion due to rape is very rare because pregnancy due to rape is rare, I am not assuming that we are talking about rape cases every time we say abortion.
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