(December 1, 2015 at 7:05 pm)Aroura Wrote:(December 1, 2015 at 6:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Let me clarify. I was not referring to God at all when I said that lol. I was simply referring to the reality of the world we live in and how we, all of us, come into existence. How do we not have the right to be in our mother's wombs when that is what we evolved to do? That is what humanity's existance depends on. And our bodies evolved specifically to cater to that. You might as well say we don't have the right to use up oxygen from the Earth's air or something lol. That is the whole evolutionary purpose of why we have that entire part of our bodies. A fetus is supposed to be there. So yes, it has the right to be there. That is the natural order of our world and of the continuation of the human species. It's not like some big bad baby just barges forcefully into some random chick's body without "asking for permission" lol. He is a completely innocent bystander of natural order, as we all were too when we were conceived and lived in our mom's wombs for 9 months.Actually, different people are making vastly different arguments in this thread. Don't lump us all together just because you personally, or one other person in this thread, takes one extreme position or the other.
Anyway, I don't mean to harp on this, and I hate for any discussion to be going in circles. But I felt like I had to repeat myself again in order to clarify that this argument has nothing to do with God.
But people here aren't making the argument that abortion should only be okay in cases of rape lol. The argument being made is that abortion should always be okay. Through all 9 months of pregnancy, no matter what reason. Because a women has the bodily autonomy to abort her offspring, and that bodily autonomy does not go away for any reason at any stage of the pregnancy. That is the current argument being made, and the one I am replying to. Since abortion due to rape is very rare because pregnancy due to rape is rare, I am not assuming that we are talking about rape cases every time we say abortion.
Most people are not extremists on the issue of abortion. Very few take the position that it is always or never ok. You have taken one extreme position of never, but most people in this thread (and most people in America, according to survey's btw) have only said it is sometimes acceptable, and there is a wide range of opinions on when and why that might be.
The vast majority of Americans do not view this as a black/white, either/or position. Those who do are extremists on this topic, and make up less than 20% of the population.
I didn't mean to lump everyone together. From what I understand, everyone who has been having this discussion with me has the position that a mother should always have the legal right to abort. My responses are to them. If I misunderstood someone, I do apologize.
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