RE: Guns, and my most recent Facebook Post.
December 5, 2015 at 9:48 pm
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(December 5, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Spooky Wrote:(December 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Come on, lets not get pedantic. We both know what I mean by keeping safe; keeping bullets from entering peoples living bodies and converting them to dead bodies. Yes you can stab someone or use all kinds of tools but most violent crime is opportunistic. The less convenient the opportunity that presents itself is the less likely it is that it will be taken advantage of. Guns are very convenient and lethal weapons.
I wont argue that guns are convenient, however I don't buy for a moment that they're any more lethal than knives or large machinery. I've lost count of the number of "Victim was shot 5 times and is in stable condition" stories I've read. Also wont argue opportunistic violence. However you'd simply be trading random shootings for random stabbings.
(December 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Anecdotal evidence. Statistics back up the fact that guns cause more violence than they resolve and that the most likely victim to be on the receiving end of a bullet of a gun is fired at a living person is the owner of that gun. Its a major contributor to suicide thanks to the convenience it offers. Like violent crime suicide appears to be opportunistic as demonstrated by the fact that when we made it impossible to gas yourself using an oven the rates of suicide fell and never went back up. A large percentage of people when not presented with a convenient opportunity pursued it no further.
Define a large percentage? 1 in 4? At the treatment facility I spent a few years at I cut a kid down in the showers. He tried to hang himself with the string off his sweat pants. If somebody is mentally ill and wants to kill themselves, guns are irrelevant.
(December 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: This isn't even taking into account premeditated violence. Guns make that *really* easy. Don't get me wrong; guns are awesome. A marvel of physics and mechanics, really. Lets not get confused though. They kill people. At an astonishing rate. You make guns illegal the murder rate falls. We know this. Its not surprising, it makes perfect sense. The reasons to keep guns around have diminished greatly seen as they would be useless against a tyrannical government now due to the advent of drones and fighter jets. Thats not an explanation we can use now.
Again, yes, guns make things easier, but will not prevent it. Quite honestly guns are messy and leave a lot of evidence. Yes, guns kill people. But there's somebody behind the gun. I don't have time to list all the other things that kill people, that we don't even consider banning. As I stated previously, humans are more fragile than we're willing to admit.
If I plan to kill somebody, not having a gun isn't going to be much of a problem. Banning guns would cause the murder rate to dip slightly. It wouldn't as you say "Fall".
The "Tyrannical Government" argument is tired, and quite frankly a bunch of bullshit probably made up by the NRA and white supremacists.
(December 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: The remaining pro-gun reasons that counts now are as follows;
"I like guns"
"I really like shooting targets."
"In the extremely unlikely event someone breaks in to kill me with a gun I want to kill them with my gun first."
"I want to feel safe."
"Its part of our culture."
Yep, I like guns.
Target shooting is indeed fun.
If you break into my house you are fairly screwed.
I like camping in places that have bears. I've thankfully never had to shoot one.
I'm a 28 year old male that doesn't worry much about rape/mugging/etc. My wife is well trained with her 9mm and doesn't worry much either. Safety is an illusion that doesn't really exist.
Fuck the american culture. I hate rednecks.
I enjoy hunting.
All the things that guns do, can be done with some other method, guns aren't the problem.
Quote:An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Robert A. Heinlein
What does this quote mean to me? If you make a threat, I have no intention of waiting to see how serious you are. And full disclosure, I'm not going to shoot you.
If you seriously think the guy who stabbed three people wouldn't of killed more it a pistol, an uzi or an assault rifle I don't know what to say to you. You're not living in reality.
Its easier to shoot yourself in the head than it is to slit your wrists or hang yourself. The determination required to do so is lower. This means more suicides. You know this. This is silly.
If you have guns you'll get school shootings which are easier to go through with and have more fatalities than a school stabbing. Both involve a mentally vulnerable individual, one results in more frequency and more death.
This sounds like its all about you frankly. You're trained. You're stable. You're comfortable. Your wife has a gun. You're sorted, everyone else can just deal. Thats not how a society is supposed to work. It moves as fast as its slowest citizen and in this case its slowest citizen could be responsible for a massacre.
Can we just be honest? You know all this. You just want to keep guns because you've likely grown up with guns. Its a tradition thing that you're not willing to let go of because its so firmly ingrained in your culture that its impossible to imagine a life without them. Thats not rednecks. Thats America. Thats fair enough. Its hard to let go of stuff like that but please be under no illusions that not letting go of that will cause alot more people to die. It will. This is a inescapable fact. Saying "Oh well, they don't need a gun to kill someone." is a insincere thing to say. You know full well noones saying getting rid of guns will stop humans killing each other. They're saying it would decrease instances of homicide and suicide vastly.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.