RE: Strong Atheism and what it REALLY means to be an atheist
January 12, 2011 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2011 at 8:39 am by Edwardo Piet.)
Relayer Wrote:I think we might have come to the end of the road here, because we seem to be talking straight past each other now. I have no idea what it means to "logically exist".
Merely existing is actually identical in reality to logically existing. Nothing illogical can exist. We say something is "illogical" when it contradicts logic but it still, logically, contradicts logic. You say "logical contradiction" you don't say "illogical contradiction". Things that are contradictory can't exist and so are nothing: There are no illogical "things". The concept of illogicality logically exists and is real, but illogicality itself doesn't exist and, logically, can't. Only logicality itself exists beyond the concept. Logic is absolute and is separate to its conceptualization (a rock is still a rock whether we as rational beings are around to conceptualize that absolutely logical fact or not (just as our concept of "fact" is separate to the facts themselves, as in, what actually is, what actually exists. Existence is separate to its concept)).
Just as how our conceptualization actually exists physically in our brains whether we conceptualize that conceptualization itself and call it "conceptualization" or not.
Anyway, if you think we've come to an end of the road here and you don't want to continue our conversation here, so be it. I'm fine with that.