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Sad thought about Jesus.
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus.
(December 17, 2015 at 4:33 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(December 17, 2015 at 3:29 am)orangebox21 Wrote: [/hide]
As usual you ignored what was said.  Lek appealed to the Greek.  Your counterargument was to show different English translations.  Engage the actual argument......  

The same Greek word, aiōnion, is used for both the 'punishment' and the 'life.'  So it would follow that if hell's punishment was limited in duration then heaven's life would also be limited in duration.
Greek text
Definition of aionion
Which Greek alphabet is that word written in?

So, let me see if I have this right: We're on an atheist forum, where the vast majority of the members supposedly do not believe that god, heaven, or hell exists.  Most of us are in agreement that the Holy Babble is a deeply flawed piece of human literature.

A quote was made from 11 English translations regarding the meaning of "eternal" or "everlasting".
So, somebody who apparently is not a Greek scholar looks up a Greek word - gets conflicting translations - and tries to use it to prove his original point . . . by strongly implying that all of the English translations are, well, to be generous, let's say "unclear".  Lek's original point seems to be that Hell is not ETERNAL torture. It's a finite period of time.  

Drippy Doodle gets into the mix somehow, but I have him on ignore.

Is no-one going to point out that 1) the entire argument is spurious and moot to people who don't believe in the existence of god or hell; 2) Lek's pleading to the mis-translation of this passage can be applied to the entire book with ease, and 3) attempting to re-define hell and its duration is acknowledging that the original concept is flawed, illogical, unbelievably cruel and unfair?
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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Sad thought about Jesus. - by TrueChristian - December 14, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Chad32 - December 14, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 9:27 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 18, 2015 at 7:38 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Faith No More - December 14, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 19, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 14, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 14, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by vorlon13 - December 14, 2015 at 6:47 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 14, 2015 at 8:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by ignoramus - December 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 14, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 15, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by ignoramus - December 15, 2015 at 12:28 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 15, 2015 at 6:15 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by athrock - December 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Crossless1 - December 15, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Sappho - December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Drich - December 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 16, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 17, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 17, 2015 at 11:53 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 17, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Lek - December 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 18, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Drich - December 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 17, 2015 at 3:12 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by RobbyPants - December 17, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 17, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 18, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 19, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 19, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 19, 2015 at 4:40 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 19, 2015 at 6:04 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 19, 2015 at 8:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 19, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 19, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 20, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 20, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 19, 2015 at 9:22 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Crossless1 - December 19, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 20, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 21, 2015 at 12:14 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Iroscato - December 21, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 21, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Iroscato - December 21, 2015 at 8:37 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 21, 2015 at 9:08 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by drfuzzy - December 21, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 22, 2015 at 1:07 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 22, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 11:46 am
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RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 21, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 21, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 22, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Athene - December 22, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 2:44 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 22, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Homeless Nutter - December 22, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 9:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 22, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 22, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 22, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 23, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 3:03 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 23, 2015 at 4:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by orangebox21 - December 23, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 3:05 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by robvalue - December 23, 2015 at 4:19 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 4:28 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 23, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brakeman - December 24, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 23, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cyberman - December 24, 2015 at 7:24 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by dyresand - December 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Minimalist - December 24, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 24, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Cecelia - December 24, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 24, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Angrboda - December 24, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Brian37 - December 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 24, 2015 at 10:04 pm
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 25, 2015 at 12:52 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 25, 2015 at 12:53 am
RE: Sad thought about Jesus. - by popsthebuilder - December 25, 2015 at 12:59 am
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