RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
December 17, 2015 at 10:21 pm
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2015 at 10:24 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 17, 2015 at 10:03 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.
Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.
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I too, have meditated for much of my life, and have been doing yoga for the last 10 years (really helps with my surfing).
I have also experienced some pretty profound mental states from these practices. But that is exactly what they are, mental states. With wholly natural explanations.
They are proven to alter brain chemistry, and brain frequency. Nothing more.
The problem is, Rik hears his teachers, or reads books, that tell him he is tapping into another reality, and since they are in the position of authority, he believes them.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.