(December 17, 2015 at 10:03 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: What drives me crazy about Rik is that he performs a discipline that alters his brain's functioning in such a way that he has experiences that are unusual -- different than but not wholly unrelated to the experiences of people on mind altering substances or people experiencing NDE (I mean this in the sense that his brain's electro-chemical functioning is different than it is during everyday life) -- and doesn't make the connection between what he's doing and how that affects him physically. As long as he insists that he is really tapping into another dimension of reality, rather than inducing a different state of brain function, there is really no conversation to be had as far as I'm concerned.
Having had some experience with meditation, I can affirm that it can lead to experiences that are unusual compared to everyday waking consciousness and worth having. I just never made the mistake of thinking that what I experienced was anything other than an altered brain state.
I have seen thousand of people who started yoga.
Out of this thousand maybe 20-30 continue for sometime.
Out of this 20-30 maybe 2 or 3 continue until they reach a very high degree of consciousness.
This way of carry on apply to almost everything that require a lot of effort as
we can see even in the material-physical-mental world.
Many people finish the primary school, less finish the high school and even less reach a degree in something.
Yoga is even more difficult than reaching the uni because to study you mainly need good brain effort
but in yoga you need a lot lot more.
It is a whole effort as far as body-mind and subconscious mind is concern.
To cut it short it is obvious that you will find a lot of people who engage in yoga for a while or even for longer but with little application to say that yoga doesn't work.
It is all very obvious to me.
The rule is .......NO REAL EFFORT = NO REAL RESULTS.
Obvious.
