(December 22, 2015 at 2:23 pm)athrock Wrote:(December 22, 2015 at 2:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm asking you where these moral values go to hide when they're not in people's heads? Are they in the rocks? Where and how do objective moral values exist?
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Now, Jorm, let me ask: if everyone in India decided that women are always responsible for being raped, would that make it right in your mind? And if you, personally, decided that Jyoti had no right to go to see a movie, would that make her rape okay?
Or is it really the case that because you think she deserved to be raped for violating a cultural convention, it's perfectly acceptable because all moral values are subjective?
As for where and how OMV's exist, that's what the Argument seeks to establish.
But that's putting the cart before the horse if there is no agreement that they even exist at all.
I don't believe you when you say objective moral values exist. Where is not an aim of the argument; the argument just assumes they do. And I think you're just evading the question of where. I don't believe you actually have a good theory as to how objective moral values would work. The closest you've come is a sort of Platonism wherein God is the form of the highest good. Is that your theory of how morality works, that we are all attempting to approximate "the good" ?
As to your question, we are partially constrained by evolutionary psychology, so not everything goes. The concept of fairness is more than a cultural norm and less than an objective value; that accounts for a lot of answers about morality. Morality resides in the subconscious; it is not something we can change willy nilly, so it is relative to that person's mind, and in that sense subjective.
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