(December 25, 2015 at 5:07 pm)Delicate Wrote:(December 25, 2015 at 4:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote: People do not rise from the dead; that's our experience. Once you're declared to be clinically dead, absent a mistake, you remain dead. In the case of Jesus, no medical doctor was on the scene to pronounce clinical death; we have no death certificate. Having said that, I think that Jesus did die, and any so-called "visions" of him after that were bereavement visions, which got embellished over time.People usually don't rise from the dead. That's consistent with what Christians believe.
We just don't believe it's impossible. And by the way, quantum mechanics says the same thing.
As for the visions, that interpretation doesn't make sense. Are your saying it's a mass hallucination
No, they don't come back EVER. There is a medical window, which can mean misdiagnosis, the vitals flying under the radar but not beyond the window. As the story is intended the reader to believe, Jesus went beyond that window. Now if he/God/Jesus, were a really supernatural being, funny how we never see decapitated humans come back. Now here is where you cop out to "yea his body died, but his spirit lived". Ok why not write the story with Jesus being beheaded and regrow his own head on the spot?
There is no such thing as a soul or spirit. There is only human flawed perceptions because of fear of being finite. Life evolved with fight or flight which is why we look both ways when crossing the street. But there is no afterlife. That is a gap filling idea to avoid thinking about our finality. Do you think about how horrible your pre life was, or how Jesus or God will punish you for all the time before you were born? How did that non existence feel?
When your body dies you die, that is it. Try smashing the computer you type your arguments on with a sledge hammer then expect it to work the same. Try expecting a totaled car to work the same as one that is in tact.
Jesus is a myth. The idea of ascension into heaven and an afterlife is much older than the modern monotheistic religions. Long before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus was claimed to be the divine savior of humanity and ascended into the afterlife to sit in judgment of humans under the head god Ra and his father Osiris.
