(December 26, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(December 25, 2015 at 5:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well, well, i was thinking what present should i give to my little mates from the atheist forum
for Christmas so i came up with something a bit unusual that i am sure will help you to understand
better how the whole system works.
Let us talk about the universe.
Atheists in general think that the universe can do without a mind or God but wait a minute guys.
The universe has got what we also humans got.
It has matter, water, heat-light-energy, air and space.
We, beside our body also got a mind and a consciousness so why this universal body should also not have
a mind and consciousness that control it?
Have you ever seen a body alive without a head?
Even a zombie got a head (whether it works is a different story) but a head-mind-consciousness is there anyway wherever there is a body.
So, just guess what this controlling mind suppose to be?
You never thought about it, did you guys?
You really are getting desperate, aren't you?
Your latest is one of the most obviously flawed analogies I think I've ever read. Just because 2 things being compared have some similarities, does not mean you can come to any sort of conclusion about what other things they may have in common.
A pond full of dirty water has matter, water, heat-light-energy, air and space, just like the universe has. A pond full of dirty water does not have a head (or consciousness). Therefore, the universe doesn't either. See, I just proved that there is no mind controlling the universe.
Here is a term you may want to look into, and use from time to time, "critical thinking".
I would have thought that you are a little bit smarter that that Moon.
If i would have to follow your demented example then i also could say that even the excrement got all the elements such as matter, water, energy and so on and therefore a turd should also have a head-mind.
What you miss to take in consideration is that consciousness is not the same in every item in this universe.
The lower you go as in the matter and the less consciousness you get and the more you go up as in human beings the more you get.
Consciousness is everywhere.
That doesn't mean that a head-mind is present in the same level everywhere.
Your pond full of dirty water in which all the component such as matter, water and so on are present
are at the very bottom of consciousness scale.
According to yoga one day these elements will turn into plants, animals, humans and back to where they came from so their actual dormant and latent consciousness will expand in order to take the shape of the original form (God).
Without a consciousness within nothing get expanded.
A climber is never happy to stay where she is.
She keep on moving on and on in search for better conditions.
Everything in this universe is on the move.
Nobody is really 100% happy until they reach the goal of life.
The universe is also not happy.
The elements within need consciousness expansion.
Why would they need expansion if a goal is not there?
