RE: Confessions of a former Christian fundamentalist.
December 27, 2015 at 8:46 am
(This post was last modified: December 27, 2015 at 8:48 am by Brian37.)
(December 27, 2015 at 5:44 am)Delicate Wrote:(December 26, 2015 at 7:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: One could make the same claim regarding the so-called Miracle of Calanda:Why would evangelicals reject that miracle account? I don't see why that must be the case. I haven't investigated it, but I don't know that it's false either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda
With this supposed "miracle", we have "people, places, and things," and with respect to the latter category, documentation. And, yet, few, if any, Christian evangelicals are believers. Belief in Jesus' bodily resurrection is predicated upon a whole host of assumptions (historical reliability of the Gospels & Epistles, their unembellished transmission down through the centuries, etc.) With such a "standard", one might as well believe the 1500 or so individuals who've claimed to have been abducted by aliens, psychic readers, or those who've claimed to have had direct experiences with the so-called paranormal. If we can say anything about the so-called "resurrection" of Jesus, it is that it is not unique. Now, ask yourself, do you believe in this:
So, not only did Jesus supposedly rise from the dead, others did as well! We are talking not about one resurrection here but "many", and yet, no one, other than the "believers" noticed any of this. Life went on in the Roman Empire as before, and the reaction of the Empire was not terribly significant, was it? (In fact, there was no reaction of the Roman authorities.) Of course, many of those 1st-century Christians believed that the World was flat, and that was the World in which they lived in. Only later on, as more intellectually-minded individuals began to embrace Christianity, did the idea of a spherical Earth enter into Christian theology and doctrine.
Likewise with the assumptions undergirding Jesus' bodily resurrection. What exactly is the problem with these assumptions? You haven't shown that they are problematic.
As for Matthew 27, that is one of the more challenging passages of the account. But it's not challenging for the reasons you've mentioned. There is no evidence for your claim that nobody but believers noticed the body.
The assumption that if a Roman soldier saw it they would automatically make it part of secular historical canon is absurd: historical writings were very difficult to perform at that point in time, and not all monumental, even miraculous events of the time were recorded. I think you need to put a finer point on your objection here. Are you saying the Bible ought to confirm it?
As it is, it's not obvious what the problem is for the religious believer.
None of that book was written during the alleged claimed time of the Jesus character's existence. The NT was written way after the fact. The entire bible itself took over 1,000 years and 40 authors with books left out.
I find it absurd that believers will claim their deity to be all powerful, blinks all this with a poof, into existence, but cant or wont poof one book into existence? And on top of that writes competing versions humans fight over.
I would not hire such an inept being to run a bicycle factory. The bikes would end up with squid for spokes and the workers would murder each other over the competing assembly manuals.
QM will not defend Christianity, or Islam, or Jewish or Hindu, or any deity claim. It s not a science used to prop up old books by any name. The god of the gaps argument does not work for any religion.
If QM= "Anything goes because you cant disprove it" then if the Jesus character had been beheaded instead of nailed to a cross, QM could have him magically regrow his head. Funny how we never see humans come back from a decapitation.