RE: Evidence God Exists
January 24, 2011 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm by OnlyNatural.)
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote: So then why did you refer specifically to me if what you were saying didn't apply to me in some way?
But you did not actually answer the question. The question was in regards to what I, as a believer, am missing out on and what you all, as atheists, now posess in the way of 'truth'. Since your answer was about you, but directed at me, I can only assume your anecdote was meant to 'show me' that I may be seeking religion because it is 'comforting' and 'easy'. You stated
OnlyNatural Wrote:I sought out religion because at the time, it was comforting, and I wanted easy answers to complex questions. Simple as that.
which does not answer the question itself about what I am missing. You merely presuppose things about why I sought religion. Hence why I responded the way I did.
Ok, let me start over. I seem to have created a misunderstanding, and I apologize. Your question was:
Watson Wrote:So tell me. What is it that you now see in life, as an atheist, that you did not see before as a believer? And on the flip side, what is it that I(as a believer) must be missing now?
When I answered the question, I meant to address the first part only, about how I see life as an atheist. I realize now I should have only quoted that part. I did not mean to talk about what you, specifically, are missing. If I used the word 'you,' I was referring to religious individuals and religious belief in a more general way. I should have been more specific. My anecdotes were not meant to presuppose anything about your own personal experiences.
From now on, though, I will be addressing you and your arguments.
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote: It, too, believe that the world is awe-inspiring and beautiful for many of the same reasons you probably do. And I believe in God, and a Heaven, and a Hell etc. etc. I see nothing contradictory or 'supernatural' about these beliefs, either.
Here's the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of 'supernatural:'
Quote: SUPERNATURAL:
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially: of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2 a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b: attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote: Why wouldn't He be pleased with the creation of he universe? I know I would be if I had just created an entire universe. It doesn't say He created the universe for the sole purpose of His own pleasure, however.
What were some of his other reasons? I'm genuinely curious.
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote: It isn't meant to be a scientific explanation of the universe, obviously. It is meant to say, simply, that God created the universe in it's entirity. That's all.
And that still doesn't explain anything. It's an unnecessary inference based on no evidence. I like how Laplace said it:
Pierre-Simon Laplace Wrote:"Sir, I had no need of that hypothesis. ("Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là", as a reply to Napoleon, who had asked why he hadn't mentioned God in his book on astronomy.)
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote: But you must admit that the idea of all of our trials, all our struggles and pains in life, being nothing more than a speck compared to the great struggle that is and has been the evolution of the earth is quire comforting.
It makes our current problems seem less significant sometimes, compared to the vastness of time and space. But eventually we do have to get back to living our lives now, because this life is all we have.
I'm curious, do you believe that God was behind the processes of evolution, or that he shaped these processes so that we could all be here today?
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote:Quote:You've 'seen' it? I doubt it.Why do you doubt it?
Because I've never heard of anyone presenting observable evidence of God's existence. That seems like something that would be big news. Was there something you saw that unambiguously confirmed his existence, and could not be explained in any other way? Are there other witnesses who could back you up?
(January 24, 2011 at 10:58 am)Watson Wrote:Quote:You've 'felt' it? I'm sure you have, but that doesn't make it true.No, it doesn't. But if you'd had the experiences I have, you might be inclined to agree with me.
Yet those are still subjective experiences; ie. feelings you have, thoughts that occur to you, a sense of contentment, or a sense that something has a deeper meaning. Everyone has these kinds of experiences, but not everyone attributes them to a divine source. And they are certainly not evidence that a divine source objectively exists.
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