RE: A conversation with Robvalue about religion.
December 30, 2015 at 10:13 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2015 at 10:14 am by Mystic.)
One thing is how Quran is written, it's written in a way, that it's up to us to reflect over it's signs and indications of God and his way.
One argument I made of Deism, is that perhaps God would rather want us to reflect more rather then blindly follow. I feel however we come to blindly follow society or a group we attach ourselves and form our opinions around people who don't know and don't have vision of the truth and light, more then really think. At best, we follow our own opinions that we have thought about a lot, yet at the same time, it seems we maybe of much blindness and misguidance, for all we know.
If Quran was excessive in spelling everything out, I would agree it's as if God wants us to just blindly accept.
But the Quran said one it's purposes it has been revealed for, is so people reflect. So people think.
In fact, to souls that are yet asleep, Mohammad was commanded per Quran to call to one thing.
1. Rise up for God
1. Then to reflect
In fact, to rise up for God is possible for Atheists as well. For example not knowing he exists, but saying, I really want to know whether he exists or not, sincerely, for the sake of this being if he exists. Then to reflect.
In fact, my experience with the Quran is that it helps you perfect reflection if you come to it with a certain attitude. Surahs bring beauty to reflection and vision of the mind and soul, in ways, other writings don't perfect reflection.
However with many people, it just increases them in injustice, like itself says "it doesn't increase the unjust but injustice".
You don't need to believe in it for the door of reflection to open up. Many of it's majestic wonders opened up to me through reflection when I was a Deist or unsure of whether God sent Messengers or not.
The book is written in a way, that teases our intellect, till it begins to reflect, ponder, and then images upon images of it's chapters begin to open up.
One argument I made of Deism, is that perhaps God would rather want us to reflect more rather then blindly follow. I feel however we come to blindly follow society or a group we attach ourselves and form our opinions around people who don't know and don't have vision of the truth and light, more then really think. At best, we follow our own opinions that we have thought about a lot, yet at the same time, it seems we maybe of much blindness and misguidance, for all we know.
If Quran was excessive in spelling everything out, I would agree it's as if God wants us to just blindly accept.
But the Quran said one it's purposes it has been revealed for, is so people reflect. So people think.
In fact, to souls that are yet asleep, Mohammad was commanded per Quran to call to one thing.
1. Rise up for God
1. Then to reflect
In fact, to rise up for God is possible for Atheists as well. For example not knowing he exists, but saying, I really want to know whether he exists or not, sincerely, for the sake of this being if he exists. Then to reflect.
In fact, my experience with the Quran is that it helps you perfect reflection if you come to it with a certain attitude. Surahs bring beauty to reflection and vision of the mind and soul, in ways, other writings don't perfect reflection.
However with many people, it just increases them in injustice, like itself says "it doesn't increase the unjust but injustice".
You don't need to believe in it for the door of reflection to open up. Many of it's majestic wonders opened up to me through reflection when I was a Deist or unsure of whether God sent Messengers or not.
The book is written in a way, that teases our intellect, till it begins to reflect, ponder, and then images upon images of it's chapters begin to open up.
