(December 29, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Ipuwer papyrus is standard fare for jesus freaks seeking some evidence to prop up their fairy tale. It tells of an invasion not an "exodus."nice try old sport.
Quote:Indeed, the desert is throughout the land, the nomes are laid waste, and barbarians from abroad have come to Egypt.
Indeed, men arrive [. . .] and indeed, there are no Egyptians anywhere.
Pt. III of the Ipuwer papyrus
But when you are desperate people will latch on to anything which gives them vindication for their nonsense.
Once again, put down your silly bibles and read some actual history:
Quote:Of prior concern here should be the date of the sources in Exodus 1- 14 judged empirically on the basis of datable details. The latter, it must be admitted, are few and most are of a toponymic nature. Research on these place-names, however, has proceeded far beyond the stage of Cazelle's classic article of thirty-five years ago; and we can now genuinely speak of a unanimity of the evidence. Whoever supplied the geographical information that now adorns the story had no information earlier than the Saite period (seventh to sixth centuries B.C.). The eastern Delta and Sinai he describes are those of the 26th Dynasty kings and the early Persian overlords: his toponyms reflect the renewed interest in the eastern frontier evidenced for this period by fort building and canalization. He knows of "Goshen" of the Qedarite Arabs, and a legendary "Land of Ramesses." He cannot locate the Egyptian court to anything but the largest and most famous city in his own day in the northeastern Delta, namely Tanis, the royal residence from about 1070 to 725 B.C. (cf. Psalm 78:12, 43), which survives as a metropolis into Roman times; and he mistakenly presses into service the adjacent marshy tract "the reed-(lake)" as the "Reed-sea," the scene of Israel's miraculous passage to safety. The route he is familiar with is that which traverses the same tract as the canal of Necho II (610-594 B.C.) from Bubastis to the Bitter Lakes; then he moves north in his mind's eye past the famous fort at Migdol to Lake Sirbonis (Ba'al Saphon) where Horus had already in the mythical past thrown Seth out of Egypt. In short, with respect to the geography of the Exodus, the post-Exilic compiler of the present Biblical version had no genuinely ancient details. He felt constrained to supply them from the Egypt of his own day and, significantly perhaps, cited several places where Asiatic elements and especially Judaean mercenaries resided in the sixth and fifth centuries.
Egypt, Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times by Donald Redford (begins pg 409)
Here is an english copy of the "admonishions of an egyptian scribe by Ipuwer:
http://raseneb.tripod.com/Ipuwer.htm
Part/Chapter 1: "The tribes of the desert have become Egyptians everywhere."
Donnie's paragraph seems to be the want and wishes of a man who wants or is trying to will what he says to be true. Because again it does not sync up with the archaeological dig in the goshen region.
Maybe try and source some info from a legit source next time, and leave real references like I did.