A conversation with Robvalue about religion.

[Mystic]

We actually call various knowledge of it science.

For example, look at the prayer here: http://www.duas.org/sajjadiya/s17.htm

O God, include in that everyone who witnesses to Thee as Lord, أللَّهُمَّ وَاعْمُمْ بِذلِكَ مَنْ شَهِدَ لَكَ بِالرُّبُوبِيَّةِ، 36
37 devotes himself sincerely to Thy Unity, وَأَخْلَصَ لَكَ بِالْوَحْدَانِيَّةِ، 37
38 shows enmity toward him (Satan) through the reality of servanthood, وَعَادَاهُ لَكَ بِحَقِيقَةِ الْعُبُودِيَّة، 38
39 and seeks help from Thee against him (Satan) through knowledge of the divine sciences! وَاسْتَظْهَرَ بِكَ عَلَيْهِ فِي مَعْرِفَةِ الْعُلُومِ الرَّبَّانِيَّةِ.

MK please understand Muslims are not the only ones who quote their holy book to prove their holy book, Christians and Jews do that too. That is called circular reasoning and it doesn't work when anyone tries it.

And Christians and Jews also, when they cant debunk science, also point to their holy books to claim their brand of God created science. I'd suggest you spend some time debating Christians and Jews as well.

First I do discuss with Christians and Jews on other religious forums. Second, I never seen anyone as of yet in my experience use the argument "the holy book claims this is true therefore it is true" to anyone outside it's faith. Rather, they may use it to say, for those who believe to be true, this is what it says, so therefore if you believe to be true, you should also acknowledge this to be true if you are going to be consistent.

That said, I didn't say I've proven there are divine sciences, the remark of Robvalue was that if religion was true, it would be a science. I am assuming rhetorically he is implying it's not.

I'm showing we don't take that for granted and in our language, there are "divine sciences".

So of course, if you want to reject that, you can. But it seems quite circular as far as this conversation goes because it hasn't been proven there are no divine sciences. Of course I'm not saying this proves there are, but simply, that it's not an agreed upon issue that religion doesn't contain divine sciences.