RE: A conversation with Robvalue about religion.
December 31, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2015 at 1:46 pm by Brian37.)
(December 31, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: All ridiculous claims. The pagan gods of Greece created science. The muslims very literally stole that science, at the tip of a spear, and wrote it into their fairy tale.
As we all know...the only way those exceprts of the quran could have been known was as a miracle of god (this is the claim, which I accept)....and since those excerpts ultimately come to us from ancient Greece..the quran is clear proof of the truth of Hellenic Paganism. Praise Allah!
No they didn't, I understand the argument you are trying to make. Discovery is part of our evolution, you can find videos online of chimps using sticks to get at ants for food. It is true the Greeks came up with thoughts that seem to work, but they also got things wrong as well. Dawkins, and I think rightfully so, in the opening of his book "The Greatest Show On Earth" puts blame on Plato for his idea of "essence" in that if you simply thought about the core of something you could get to that ideal or perfect thing. While the Greeks did foster early methods, one thing Plato did not have or could have known was the value of control groups or peer review, not in the modern scientific sense. Unfortunately that idea went on to infect politics in religion, it is why ideology ends up being pushed by politics and religion in a futile strive for a utopia.
And it is also true that Arabs contributed to science too. What is not true, is that any group of humans owns a patent on our species ability to make discoveries. Newton got physics right but his attempt at Alchemy was wrong.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson in the Cosmos series attributes discovery to all parts of human history, but points out that we must not fall for the "gatekeeper" fallacy, but in that humans evolved to be curious and figure things out.
The ancient Greek use of the word "atom" did not mean the scientific word we use today. It merely meant that which cannot be divided. CERN today certainly does divide particles. The Greeks had no way of knowing what an electron or proton or neutron or quark or Higgs/Bosson particle were. The word back then just meant "really really really tiny"
All major developed societies of antiquity worldwide made discoveries, but that does not make the god/s they believe in real, monotheistic or polytheistic, not even today. I was writing this for the theists, not so much you.
