Christians take on the more nihilistic atheists

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Sure, determinism is an entirely different discussion and I don't think it's relevant here except as a way to end the discussion. As it happens, I lean towards determinism myself, although I acknowledge I can't possibly know what is really going on.

Good, evil and [inherently] right and wrong are all the language of objective morality. I would argue as passionately as you that objective morality is either incoherent or useless. I've defined morality as I see it, a subjective value judgement. It can be used in other senses more loosely, such as societal norms, or in the objective study of why animals appear to "care" about each other at all.

Morality, in my opinion, is not a well-defined concept. Between any two people, the very basics have to be agreed before a proper discussion can take place. Often someone makes a whole boat-load of assumptions that I don't agree with before they wish to begin. Very informally, it's the way people choose between "right and wrong", but in reality this is just their perception of what they feel is right and wrong, to them. I would use "right" only as a shorthand for what I personally think is acceptable, and "wrong" for what I think isn't. And I own it as entirely my opinion. If you don't want to call that morality, then that's fine.