(December 25, 2015 at 11:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: A lot of people argue on the lines of the following:
1. If there were proofs of a God, then everyone would believe in God.
2. Some people don't believe in God.
3. Therefore there aren't any proofs of God.
A lot of people argue similarly on the lines of the following (which is similar but not exactly the same):
1. If people were presented with proofs of God, they would believe in God.
2. Some don't believe in God.
3. Therefore they weren't presented with proofs of God.
I would say for these two arguments to be true. The following would have to be true as well. That for example, Sunnis would accept proofs that point to Shiism if they are conclusive, clear and decisive. However I believe such proofs exist. However people turn away from it. Even when a lot of people are presented evidence they turn away from it.
The human phenomenon as far as accepting truth goes, it seems, that we haven't over all reached a mass status where almost everyone is sincere towards the truth that if they were proven something they would believe.
One day we may get there - but till then - this sort of reasoning that people accept positive claims when it's proven to them seems rather naive of the situation humanity is in.
To be honest, I'm not sure how people cannot see what they are and the signs of God in themselves, aside from not reflecting. But when people reflect, it should be obvious.
A lot of people here have reflected I believe - but - there is something else preventing them from believing. They see but then take their disbelief as proof of their blindness towards the light of God, to the extent they have become blind towards it despite it's clear indications and reminder.
You, like Christians, and Jews and Hindus mistake a history of claims as being "proofs".
Now go back to your post, and every time you use the word "God" in your case that would be "Allah", and replace it with "Vishnu" for example, and be intellectually brave and ask yourself if your own argument would convince you Hindus are right?
Now you know you rightfully reject the claims of every other religion and their god claims. We are not treating your claim any differently than you do with the claims of others. We simply reject one more god claim than you do.
Again, and I cannot repeat this enough, and this applies to any Christian or Jew or Hindu ect ect ect. WE GET IT, we get that you like what you believe, but it is simply not true. It was understandable back when humans didn't know any better that they wrote those things. But science has improved on human knowledge and we don't need those books.
MK please please please, understand we are trying to help you, not hurt you, and we say the same things to Christians and Jews ect ect ect as well.
You really can live life fine without a religion. It is not the end of the world. Life is still worth living for the atheist. We simply want you to think without fear, just like we want all the worlds religions to think without fear. Life has some wonderful things in it, but those wonderful things, are not explained by old books of any religion, anymore than the bad things.
It really will be ok if you give up on it. You can still value life and enjoy it, we promise. The only difference is that you wont be bound by bad logic and fear. Free yourself from myth, you will feel much better.
