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My final theory of Creation as a believer
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RE: My final theory of Creation as a believer
Quote:1. If in the beginning only God existed, it follows that God could not have reached outside himself for the ingredients of Creation.  Thus, the ingredients of Creation came from God himself.  This means that everything that exists consists wholly of God-matter.  Thus, the universe is not merely a creation of God, but consists of God himself.  The Creator and the Creation are one.   The universe is therefore conscious and sentient.
There are some unspoken assumptions in this statement (and not those acknowledged at the end of your post, btw), but ultimately, it doesn't matter.  If I make a life size replica of a badger with my clipped fingernails..would that mean that the fingernail badger is sentient and conscious?  Your "therefore" doesn't follow.

Quote:2. Energy is the most basic form of everything that exists.  Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.  It is, therefore, eternal.  Thus, the universe is eternal in some form.  Thus, the universe is God. 
Yet again, the conclusion doesn't follow from that which proceeds it.  It is also a bare fallacy of composition.  

My sons Red Flier wagon is made out of energy, which is eternal...does this mean that my sons red flier wagon is eternal? Why is it rusting away?

Quote:3. God = energy = Creation/the Universe answers the question of miracles.  Miracles are only classified as supernatural magic because that's the only way they could be understood by ancient man.  But, if energy is conscious and sentient, there is no need to argue for the supernatural or magic, as a conscious universe could just as easily suspend its own laws as we can scratch an itch.
Then why couldn't god go outside himself for the "ingredients of creation" and why can energy be neither created nor destroyed?  As soon as you toss in the suspension of natural law the statements above this become -utter- nonsense.  As to what anceint man could understand..ancient man was the same as you or I, he could have understood these things, the language existed at the time.  What ancient man was missing was access to observation and a reliable system for testing those observations.  His ability to understand or comprehend a subject would be in no way dissimilar to your own.  This portion, in it's entirely, is a giant cop-out.  Your numbers 1 and 2 are now non applicable.  

I am conscious...and yet I cannot suspend natural law as easily as I scratch an itch.

Quote:4. If God is the universe, the human race exists inside the body of a seemingly infinitely more complex life form.  This seems no more far fetched than a bacteria living inside a human being.  There are good bacteria and bad bacteria, the most "insidious" of which can cause cancer in a human being.  Likewise, sin is the cancer of bad bacteria (humans) on their host body (God). 
A tortured analogy by means of bacteria wouldn;t have worked to begin with...but since you effectively destroyed your own numbers 1 and 2 with 3.....and seeing as how 4 begins with an re-affirmation of 1  and 2...........you have a serious problem.

Issues of reason aside, you had attempted to explain god by reference to natural law, but chose to include the notion that natural law could be suspended by will at any time. Therefore (this is how that word is properly used) any conclusions you arrive at by reference to those mutable natural laws will be unreliable and uninformative. All of this, in an attempt to make room for miracles, in an attempt to avoid the word magic.
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My final theory of Creation as a believer - by Old Baby - January 6, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: My final theory of Creation as a believer - by brewer - January 6, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: My final theory of Creation as a believer - by brewer - January 6, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: My final theory of Creation as a believer - by brewer - January 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: My final theory of Creation as a believer - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2016 at 8:53 am

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