(January 9, 2016 at 10:54 am)Brian37 Wrote:(January 9, 2016 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Despite your total and ingrain stupidity nevertheless the question has some value.
Consciousness is everywhere even within a murder so it just doesn't mean that because there is consciousness this consciousness has got to be sentient.
2) Consciousness vary in intensity.
In a stone this consciousness is in a latent or dormant stage so if we would have to give a number
from 0 to 10 we could say that consciousness in a stone is next to zero while in a plant can be 1 or 2
in an animal 2 to 3 in a human being 3 to 4 and in the supreme consciousness (God) 10.
Atoms are at the bottom of the conscious scale so to speak.
They have a long long way to go before they take a more developed form of life as plants so it doesn't mean that a huge quantity of atoms as in your PC will give out such a sentient feeling but again it all depend on many other factors.
Bullshit........ Atoms do not think individually, PERIOD, they are a result of motion and attraction. It is bullshit to treat a single atom as if it were a fully intact biological brain. That is just flat out bullshit. Consciousness is an emergent property not a starting point. Atoms have to form certain molecules to form an organ that thinks.
AI is computing it is not biological like a living thing. In both cases if you smash a computer or smash a living thing with a brain, the broken structures even at a molecular level, will not function as the in tact thing.
Si fi woo is just as stupid as old sky wizard claims. Computers calculate and we can get them to "think", and even interact with us, yes. But treating a atom, or mere wave function as if it were in tact is absurd in both cases..
Assuming the wave function or atom can behave as an in tact object is like assuming if you simply pump gas out of the nozzle it will magically become the entire car. The structures of both artificial computers and in tact thinking life BOTH have specific patterns that will not function when broken up.
You are running too fast with your fantasy Brian.

1) I never said that atoms have a brain capable to think.
You blame that on me.
I instead said that atoms like everything have consciousness.
Brain and mind come at a later stage when their consciousness will expand into animal life.
In the meantime with that small amount of consciousness atoms have no other way but to follow mother nature instinct which is to merge into bigger form of consciousness but i stop here as your mental capability would not understand much.
2) Here we go again with this crap that ......Consciousness is an emergent property not a starting point.....
Emergent from where Brian?
From the brain?
And where is the evidence then?
To me make more sense that consciousness if emerge emerge from a seed so has always been there.
It just wake up to sprout and take the form of the one who put the seed there in the first place but please
don't take this concept seriously or you could really stop being an atheist.

Have a good day.
