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Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith
(January 13, 2016 at 1:29 pm)The Inquisition Wrote:
(January 13, 2016 at 1:12 pm)yukapuka Wrote: Us Muslims is the highest point of faith

the Quran itself says that Christians and Jews will enter Heaven so we dont deny Christians and their faith, yeah  they went into extremes worshipping a prophet, but that's between them and God , and nowhere in the QUran does it say that you must EXPLICITLY be a Muslim and only Muslims will go to Heaven

that is what is so great about Islam we are the ONLY religion that says explicitly in black and white in the Quran that people other then Muslims will go to Heaven

they however say differently , which shows Islam truly is the best of them all because it is all inclusive

plus Islam contains all the prophets that others accept and reject , again all inclusive

according to Islam we believe that God sent 124,000 prophets to humanity since the time of Adam(PBUH) till the time of Prophet Muhammd(PBUH) who was the last prophet so again we are the MOST inclusive

It seems the Muslim concept of hell resembles the Christian one, but I read that all people will be raised from the dead and then judged and be sent to hell or whatever. Does this imply that death, until the judgement, will be physically dead with no consciousness until all are raised? So in effect there will be no afterlife of heaven or hell until after this judgement. (Why would Allah bother with resurrection when they are already dead? It's an awful waste of time.)

The Christian concepts of hell are all over the place, some believe that death is physical with no consciousness after death. Others believe heaven is for those only that have been chosen by god. (Calvinists)

Some believe there will be a choice provided in the afterlife, others believe it to be final.

In Judaism, some don't even believe in an afterlife, others believe you'll only spend 1 year in Gehenna.

Catholics believe you'll spend time in purgatory, how long is dependent upon your actions in this life. They even sold indulgences to lessen your time in purgatory for a generous donation to the church.

So when you threaten infidels with hell, I really don't know what that means. Could you be more specific? Are you aware of the differences in Islam about what hell is, it's duration, etc. ?

I have to say i am impressed by your formality and manners , kudos to you

Your right, in the Quran it says that we will be resurrected and enter Heaven or Hell in that state , but between the period of this life and the resurrection, we will be transferred to another life and dimension and body

We have three periods of life, the short life(or kind of like the baby years) this life, then we have the middle life which is not for everyone , some will experience it, others wont experience it and will actually be raised back to life on resurrection day and between their death and resurrection day wont even know about death itself, and when they are raised up the Quran states they will say "Who raised us up?" so even on resurrection day they will still not know about God and truth, resurrection/judgement day will last 50,000 years according to the Quran

and the final life which is the eternal life which as i have understood we will be entering in this kind of format of life, but i could be wrong i never researched about it

Now there is some given reason about why some people will go through different stages

Our Imams have said that some people will be purified from their sins at the pain of death (the hardship of dying whether they are murdered and endure a horrible death or die from a painful experience like cancer) if they dont get purified from that they will be purified in what is known as barzakh(purgatory) which is the experience some people will see after they die and that could last alone for long time, here they will experience either mini hell or mini heaven or a mix of both , if that is not enough to purify them from their sins, then they will be sent into hell fire upon resurrection to be purified , and eventfully (maybe after a million years or less) they will finally enter Heaven , bottom line is that f your accounts is left unchecked and you have sins that are not forgiven, you have to pay their price and need to be purified from them, no matter if you were a believer or not

in fact the QUran says that there is not one soul that will not go through/pass Hell

Others might skip the middle and maybe even skip the pain of death, and be resurrected and enter hell fire eternally or if they were perfect(which is very rare) they will skip the pain of death, enjoy pure heaven in barzakh, and finally be resurrected and skip even judgement and enter straight into heaven without any waiting

One thing about resurrected is that everyone will be resurrected to witness the whole universe collapsing and falling apart , some will be protected from its harms, others will die over and over again
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RE: Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith - by yukapuka - January 13, 2016 at 1:46 pm

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