(January 19, 2016 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 19, 2016 at 11:58 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: *Scribbles down this example of a theist arguing against absolute morality*
Don't confuse what man identifies as morality and Absolute righteousness as defined by God.
Morality is a works based system of right and wrong. Something obtainable, which is why the standard/bar of morality is always being lowered. While Perfect Righteousness can only be obtained through redemption.
Religion takes what is in us and twists it into a comic book super hero vs super villain. It is an unfortunate part of our species flawed perceptions. Nobody is "oppressing" you by suggesting you got it wrong and that religion is merely a reflection of ourselves and our own desires.
Now the "system of wright and wrong" is an argument all religions make. If one "system" worked, there would be only one religion. Since there is more than one in reality, then the better consideration isn't that there is a need for religion, but humans making up their own answers as to why good and bad happen.
The God concept as depicted in the god/s of Abraham, reflects the feudal kingships of the time those books were written. It is why it uses words like "kingdom" and "lord" and "master", because back then, that is the rule humans lived under. It has absolutely no reflection to our modern morality of concepts of protecting secular pluralism. At best this god character is willing to tolerate others as long as those non tribe members know their place. AT BEST.
But most of the time throughout all three books of Abraham, this God either tells his followers to destroy dissent or he kills dissenters himself. I am sure Kim Jong Un will treat you well if you tow the party line and worship him. And at best, if you keep your mouth shut, he'll leave you alone. But if you express any dissent or disagreement to his rule say bye bye to your ass.
I want you to consider that the books were written for the times they reflected. Back then the mortality rate was much higher. And the class system was Royal and warrior, whom were the the bulk of wealth, and the rest of society was virtually poor and expected to do the bidding of the other classes.
I understand my blunt description offends you because you are not used to having an objection to your claims. All of us here simply want you to think about what you believe and be unafraid to be willing to consider you got it wrong. That was then, this is now. Times have changed since those books were written.