(January 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(January 23, 2016 at 7:15 am)paulpablo Wrote: I covered the success percentage rate which I told you is void, the success of the operation in relation to other operations being quite a high rate of arrests considering it only lasted 2 weeks, you said another of your points was that I can't reasonably say 137 arrests aren't all that there are which I also covered by telling you I never claimed there are definitely more arrests than 137.
I covered the point you made about alternative methods used to catch the offenders
Which point did I miss?
The point that claiming it is a success with such paltry numbers is unwarranted. The point that this method isn't the only possible way to get the information from those using that site.
(January 23, 2016 at 7:15 am)paulpablo Wrote: You claiming the success rate is low by using the number of arrests and putting it against the entire number of people who visited the site world wide isn't a sensible way to judge the actual success of the task. It's more sensible to compare the arrest rate to other operations which last 2 weeks and are of a similar nature.
Not so. You wish to use relative rates to judge the success or failure of an operation. If you scored a 45 on an examination, and then two weeks later you scored a 52, of course you've chalked up an improvement ... but you're still getting a failing grade.
I get it, I'm not going to change your mind. You're comfortable with law-enforcement officers breaking the law. You're comfortable with the idea that the ends justifies the means.
I'm not. You haven't made any robust case for me to change my mind, either.
I'm not saying they failed or succeeded. I'm saying there has been some success rate. 137 arrests. The numbers of people who visited the website do not necessarily reflect the success of the operation since they are worldwide and not under the responsibility of the FBI.
Forming a percentage related to the entire number of people using the site is no measure of the success or failure of the operation.
Another inaccurate thing to say is that I'm comfortable with the ends justifying the means and law enforcement breaking the law.
What I'm comfortable with is FBI agents keeping an illegal website running for the duration of 2 weeks in order to catch 137 paedophiles.
I'm pretty sure that breaks Chris Hansens record, that's a lot of paedophiles in quite a short space of time.
You're saying it in a way that makes it look as if I'm always comfortable with all acts of law enforcement committing criminal acts and the end justifying the means.
I understand you're not comfortable with the operation I've said I agree there are ethical concerns, but what isn't a concern is the number you came up with as a successful arrest rate percentage, it just has no practical value.
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