(January 25, 2016 at 12:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote:where did you get "Ysiris"? I read the article and it translates the word in question on the Berlin fragment to be spelled "Ishrael" rather than the Israel of the Merneptah Stele. In the article you posted the Author who has written over 1000 books and articles says the "Berlin fragment's" spelling could be the direct result of the fact their they did not have dictionaries/common spellings in ancient Egypt., plus he points to the Idea this fragment could put "Ishrael" in the 13th century (The same as the movie) which could also account for the different spelling as 'Ishrael'. In that Israel may have simply been known by that name at that time.(January 25, 2016 at 9:39 am)Drich Wrote: I forgot to watch, but the scene I am referring to showed two or three hieroglyphs all denoting slaves that the Egyptians took, among them was the symbol for Israel. Again I'll set a reminder to watch and get that name.
Don't bother. It's a fragment of a statue presently located in Berlin. The inscription is partial and only a handful of scholars think it says "Israel". This fellow is a self-admitted xtian apologist and even he is not convinced.
https://theosophical.wordpress.com/2012/...tah-stele/
Again, what the Merneptah stele says, in Egyptian, is "Ysirir." So how did we get from Ysirir to "Israel?"
British archaeologist, John Romer, explains:
Quote:Six years after his work at Tell el-Hesi, Flinders Petrie was digging at Thebes, sifting his way through ton upon ton of sharp stone fragments, the pitiful debris of royal temples. It was, he recalled later, disastrously dull labour, and he was tempted to leave it. Then, all at once, objects that had been buried for millenia among the rubble started to turn up. A fine portrait sculpture of the king who had built one of the temples was found, the first ever discovered of the Pharaoh Merneptah, that son of Ramesses II who in those days was widely believed to have been the 'Pharaoh of the Exodus'. Then his men came across a huge rectangular granite block lying face down in the rubble, a great grey stela covered in small lines of hieroglyphic (see Plate 3). The block was massive and Petrie did not have the equipment to move it; but what a fascination! A huge new monument, well preserved and covered in history. Petrie had his men clear some of the rubble out from under the stone so that, as he says, 'one could crawl in and lie on one's back, reading a few inches from one's nose'. Then he asked a visiting scholar, who specialized in inscriptions, to examine the lengthy text. 'There are the names of various Syrian towns', he reported after a miserable afternoon on his back in Petrie's trench, 'and one which I do not know, Isirir'. 'Why,' said Petrie, 'That is Israel'. 'So it is,' his friend replied, 'and won't the reverends be pleased'. And so they were and have been ever since, for the Israel Stela as the great block is now called, holds upon it the most ancient mention of Israel yet discovered. During almost eighty years of field work in archaeology, Petrie wrote more than a 1000 books and articles. He excavated royal tombs, opened pyramids and discovered golden treasures but, as he himself said at dinner on the evening of the day the great grey stone was first deciphered, 'This stela will be better known in the world than anything else I have found'. Such was, and such remains, the allure of the Bible in archaeology.
Bolding in the original. So, no study. No comparison. No question about why "Israel" is suddenly included in a list of "various Syrian towns." The association is quite similar to the early practice of saying that the "apiru" sounds like "hebrew" so that is what it must be or that the "Sherden" among the Sea People "sounds like" Sardinia so maybe they came from there. It is stupid and lazy archaeology in fact it is just silly guesswork.
We really do not have any idea what "ysirir" meant to the Egyptians.
Your link your information old sport. Maybe you should read before you post.