If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Brian37]

I feel sorry for you that you are so closed minded and so narcissistic about an old book of myth. What scares you so much that you feel the need to cling to an old book and claims of sky heros? I live my life fine without belief in fictional beings.

Now how selfish of you to think my rejection of your religion and god belief is a personal attack on you. You need to learn the difference between your rights, and the separate issue of having the ability to demonstrate what you claim is evidence based and credible beyond your own personal bias. 

You certainly by law in the secular west don't have to change your answers. Neither do Christians or Jews or Hindus. They have as much evidence for their claims as you do for yours.

The earth is 4 billion years old. The universe is 14 billion years old. Those are scientific facts not up for debate. Religion started in an age of scientific ignorance. It was understandable people made bad guesses and started religions as a result of their scientific ignorance, but we know better now.

You can make claims about your book and about your hero all you want but nobody is under any obligation by law to buy your arguments, and most certainly not under any obligation to refrain from telling you why your claims are wrong.

LEARN the difference between legal human rights, and the separate issue of being able to prove what you claim through an unbias neutral process, which you are NOT using. None of us here are treating you differently than any other person with a different book or different god claim. Get in line, take a number.

I agree with u my friend. It's called free will the God given right(my belief of course) to do as u wish in this temporary life we live now. Which also helps to determine what permanent life we will have in the Hereafter. I don't think ur attacking me personally. We are 2 adults sharing our differences in opinion about a matter. So just because u don't believe in what I do, I don't see it as ur attacking me personally. Vice versa I don't intend on attacking u personally when I don't follow ur belief. Now I have mentioned on several responses, so I'm not sure to exactly who, but I'll ask u this. First off how many different examples of a particular subject would u personally need to see in order to say to urself "This is more than just a coincidence, this is a fact"? Secondly how many different facts do u need b4 u believe it as true?

Hello McFLY!

Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus ALL ALL ALL make the same arguments. I know you like what you believe. I also know you really want it to be true. I don't doubt your sincerity when you say you believe what you claim. I do doubt you really know what you do using bad logic in leading yourself to needlessly come to such bad conclusions.

"My Bible says"
"My Koran says"
"My Torah says"
"My Vedas say"
"My Dali Lama says"

"Christianity is popular"
"Islam is popular"
"Jewish is popular"
"Buddhism is popular"
"Hinduism is popular"

"I point to the bible for miracles"
"I point to the Koran for miracles"
"I point to Jewish scriptures for miracles"
"I point to Buddha for for miracles"
"I point to the Hindu Vedas for miracles"

"Jesus says we have free will"
"Allah says we have free will"
"Yahweh says we have free will"
"Buddha says we have free will"
"The Vedas say we have free will"

And they ALL like what they believe. Still not a matter of human rights. It is still a matter of EVIDENCE.  Which no human has ever produced about any religion or god claim.  7 billion humans make 100s of thousands of different god claims, and so what. If anyone had universal evidence they'd have a Nobel Prize in science and could beat everyone to the patent office.

I am NOT treating you any differently than I would any other person with a different religion or god claim. Get in line, take a number.