(January 17, 2016 at 6:26 am)Little Rik Wrote:(January 16, 2016 at 6:26 am)pool the great Wrote: It is not possible. Very good argument Rik, very smart. *applause*
Now all you have left to do is to show evidence for something that is NOT physical which cannot be understood by using a physical tool.
Is a pity that you are not paying attention to what i already explained several times.
I said...........CAN YOU GIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?
Suppose someone pop up and ask you that question?
What would you say?
You probably would say....OF COURSE I AM IN LOVE WITH SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON.
But that pedantic nutter will not believe.
How would you explain then considering that love is something within very hard to extrapolate except
when you love someone?
Not easy son but now consider this.
Physical love is hard enough to extrapolate so how can extrapolate something a lot more subtle like
spiritual love?
Maybe (as i already said) in the future will invent something able to see deep inside who knows.
In the past highly spiritual people were represented with an aura or aureola on the head.
In the meantime the only way to reveal whether God exist or not is to engage in spirituality.
By digging deep within in your subconscious you will be able to find the real gold and have evidence that God is there.
(January 25, 2016 at 5:37 am)robvalue Wrote: I said insult atheism, not insult atheists.
This entire thread is poisoning the well by trying to equate atheism and naturalism, a difference you admitted to at one point and then went back to ignoring.
The title of this thread is nonsensical, as has been pointed out endlessly. Atheism is not, by default, a belief. You just keep redefining it so that it is a belief, and then claim that this also applies to the definition we atheists actually use. This is called an equivocation fallacy. You don't get to transfer meaning between different definitions and contexts of the same word.
If you want to argue that "naturalism is an unscientific belief", that would at least make sense as a topic. I'd be very impressed if you admitted that this is what the title of the thread should be. Will you go that far?
You keep telling me my beliefs are wrong, but you never take the time to ask what my beliefs are. You're too busy telling me what they are.
To live among the other things you need air to breathe.
Something similar goes for creating an idea in your mind.
You need an input from somewhere.
As the air is an input that allow you to live also the idea is an input
and this input create a belief.
Your belief can originate from the fact that there is no evidence for something
nevertheless is a belief.
The problem with atheism is that this belief originate from the awareness of
this physical universe but to understand something that lie behind this physical universe
you need to go behind the awareness of this physical universe.
It all boil down to the fact that atheists create a believe by using the wrong science
that is why i said that atheism is unscientific as the science behind understanding
whether God exist or not used by atheists is the wrong one.
