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Really, Germany?
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RE: Really, Germany?
(January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Yes, it does in fact. If you understand why someone is doing what they're doing you become better equipped to handle it and prevent it from happening again, and that's all that matters. Guilt is irrelevant.

It does cause you say so? I in - small - part understand why they done it but I don't think that their guilt it's not lessened by it. It matters not if they were thinking that Jews are subhumans or disease as killing is still killing.

And why guilt is irrelevant?

Though I agree that understanding the motives might be helpful in preventing such from occurring again.

(January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: There are a lot of factors involved, including basic human nature, as I pointed out earlier, and charismatic leaders to take advantage of it.

So it was all Hitler fault? Diabolical dictator with unearthly powers of persuasion convinced entire nation that killing of Jews is just?

(January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: It's a very complex issue.

It is but for me it looks like you're trying to cheapen it with talk about charismatic leader and basic human nature. It leaves no room for earlier anti-Semitism, ideology, feeling of national humiliation or economical considerations.

(January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: But blaming everyone for what happened is simply idiotic and will get you nowhere even if you were right about looking at it like that, which you're not.

You're saying I'm not right so I'm not right. Interesting. Also I don't blame everyone - I only answered to your claim that Germans weren't entirely responsible.


(January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: That is what law means, essentially. You would have to be more of an expert on law precisely to understand how and why such decisions are made. Presumably they're not entirely irrational, no matter the outcome. You can have you're uninformed opinion on the matter, of course, but that's all it is. Don't try and add more credibility to it when there is none to be had. It's not as clear-cut as that.

So law is equal with justice? Curious concept indeed considering penalties for drug use for example.

Also I didn't say that decisions of court are irrational so I don't know what you are jumping at.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 19, 2016 at 1:21 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 19, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by CapnAwesome - January 19, 2016 at 2:11 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 19, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by CapnAwesome - January 19, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 19, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by account_inactive - January 19, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 19, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Red_Wind - January 19, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Mr Greene - January 19, 2016 at 8:35 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Aoi Magi - January 19, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 19, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 19, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Anomalocaris - January 19, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by CapnAwesome - January 19, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 19, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 19, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by CapnAwesome - January 19, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 19, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 19, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Brian37 - January 19, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by CapnAwesome - January 19, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Jenny A - January 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by account_inactive - January 19, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Brian37 - January 19, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 3:53 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 4:12 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Brian37 - January 20, 2016 at 2:02 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Brian37 - January 21, 2016 at 5:31 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 22, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - January 22, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 23, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 28, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 28, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 28, 2016 at 9:57 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 29, 2016 at 4:35 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 2, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 3, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - February 3, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 30, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by downbeatplumb - January 30, 2016 at 7:44 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 31, 2016 at 3:08 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by downbeatplumb - January 31, 2016 at 6:22 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 31, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - February 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by downbeatplumb - February 2, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 1, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 2, 2016 at 8:43 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 3:26 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 28, 2016 at 9:49 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 19, 2016 at 7:13 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 19, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Reforged - January 19, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 20, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 4:23 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by ignoramus - January 20, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 20, 2016 at 5:08 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 20, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Dystopia - January 20, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 20, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by abaris - January 20, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 20, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Jenny A - January 20, 2016 at 11:22 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 21, 2016 at 5:13 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 21, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Jenny A - January 29, 2016 at 5:42 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 5:51 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 6:00 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 7:48 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 8:27 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 8:35 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 9:00 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 9:03 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 6:29 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 7:26 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 7:40 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 7:43 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 7:22 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 7:45 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 29, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Iroscato - January 29, 2016 at 9:10 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Iroscato - January 29, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Ivan Denisovich - January 29, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Iroscato - January 29, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Excited Penguin - January 29, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 30, 2016 at 5:59 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Bob Kelso - January 30, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 30, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Bob Kelso - January 31, 2016 at 12:09 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 31, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Alex K - January 31, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Minimalist - January 31, 2016 at 1:56 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Really, Germany? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 3, 2016 at 4:49 am

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