Really, Germany?

[Excited Penguin]

It does cause you say so? I in part at least understand why they done it but I don't think that their guilt it's not lessened by it. It matters not if they were thinking that Jews are subhumans or disease as killing is still killing.

And why guilt is irrelevant?

If you really had a notion about why it happened you wouldn't feel the irrational urge to blame someone for it. No one is to blame. Forget about blame and guilt altogether. Focus on preventing crime and containing it. You can cry in your pillow about the other stuff all you want.

So it was all Hitler fault? Diabolical dictator with unearthly powers of persuasion convinced entire nation that killing of Jews is just? 

No, I didn't say that. In fact I don't think it's anyone's "fault", not even Hitler's. Hitler did what he did. He couldn't have done otherwise and didn't. Same goes for everyone else.

It is but for me it looks like you're trying to cheapen it with talk about charismatic leader and basic human nature. It leaves no room for earlier anti-Semitism, ideology, feeling of national humiliation or economical considerations.

It's not just mere talk. These are demonstrable facts that shed light on the problem. I am very aware of earlier anti-Semitism and all of the other factors involved. In fact I pointed out myself that there's many factors to it. Do you have any point at all here or are you just talking gibberish?

You're saying I'm not right so I'm not right. Interesting. Also I don't blame everyone - I only answered to your claim that Germans weren't entirely responsible. 

The way you initially put it left room for doubt about that. For example here you said:

But if not Germans (and other nations too) then who is responsible for Shoah?

Instead of saying certain Germans. It's true you later said you're not blaming all Germans for it, so let me clarify my own statement as well, if it is a game of language that you want us to play here. Instead of blaming everyone I'm accusing you of blaming anyone at all in particular and having that extend to present times in any way, shape or form. Instead, we should be looking at the roots of the problem and try and prevent it from ever happening again. If I'm strawmanning you here, that's great, it's just a misunderstanding. If not, my point stands.

So law is equal with justice? Curious concept indeed considering penalties for drug use for example.

Also I didn't say that decisions of court are irrational so I don't know what you are jumping at. You're frustrated with something perhaps?

Law is in the business of pursuing justice(notice that I didn't say it's equal to justice). If you have other issues with our current societal laws, you should talk about them elsewhere, as this is not a thread about penalties for drug abuse to cite your own example.

I never said you did say the courts were irrational. I implied you were implying it though, and rightly so, given how and what quote of mine you were responding to.

Your way of arguing is really dishonest. If you go back and read my statements, then read yours, that's easy to see. I'll indulge you though for as long as we can keep up any semblance of a conversation.