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If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
(January 29, 2016 at 2:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 29, 2016 at 1:46 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: The first thing u have to understand is Prophet Muhammad pbuh didn't write this or anything else in the Qur'an because he was illiterate, he couldn't read or write, and everybody who knew him knew this. That was one reason why God sent it through him. To show that no human could come up with such a scripture. But how about God says in the Qur'an The universe is expanding. How could anyone in the 7th century, when telescopes and satellites weren't even drawn up, have knowledge of this unless He created the universe. Today astronomists see our universe is still expanding to this day. Imagine drawing dots on a balloon then inflating it with air. The dots will move further away from one another which is exactly what stars and planets in our universe is doing as well. What human had knowledge of this, back in a time when they thought the Earth was flat and the mountains held up the skies?

Yeah, I don't believe that the people/person who wrote that passage meant anything like the modern scientific conception of inflation.  You're just taking a passage which vaguely interpreted can be said to be consistent with modern scientific knowledge and claiming on the basis of that consistency that they had foreknowledge of the modern scientific understanding.  It doesn't prove anything but that loose descriptions can sometimes accidentally describe other things than what they were originally intended to describe.  It doesn't show that the consistency of the passage with modern knowledge is a sign that they had modern knowledge before it was available through ordinary means.



(January 29, 2016 at 1:46 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Or another example is the words for land and sea are mentioned 13 times and 32 times throughout the Qur'an. Add them to get 45. Then 13/45=28.8888889% and 32/45=71.1111111% these are the exact scientific percentages of land and water that cover our planet to this day. No human knew this. So this book had to have come from someone who did have that knowledge, who is none other than Allah, our creator I have more for u if u like

And we're back to numerology.  Do you understand that there is a qualitative difference between claims that the authors knew about universe inflation and claims that numerical coincidences are significant?  I'm much more influenced by the former than the latter, but you seem to feel that they belong in the same category.  That's sloppy thinking and makes me doubt that you are effective at applying reason to these claims generally if you can't see the difference.
Here's another for u. In Arabic language there is no letter V. So they use a W to substitute. In 8:72 the letters WENUS appear. These letters don't appear again until 11:3. The last time they appear is 17:7. If u put a V where the W is it spells the planet Venus. There are 243 verses between 8:72 and 11:3. Science shows us that Venus takes exactly 243 days to revolve around the sun. Also science shows that Venus rotates on a 177 degree angle which are the numbers 17:7 in which it is mentioned last in the Qur'an.
Another interesting astronomical factor is 46:23 the letters MARS appear in orderand 46:30 letters DIMOS appear in order. This is the only chapter that both these names are mentioned together. The planet Mars has a moon named Deimos. Science has proved that Mars is covered with sand dunes. Interestingly ch 46 is Al-Ahqaf which is Arabic for Sand Dunes. Another good one for you is the word for moon is mentioned 27 times throughout the Qur'an and word for new moon is mentioned only once totalling 28. Science has proved that the moon that orbits our Earth has 28 phases it goes through every single month.
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RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua? - by Sheed1980 - January 29, 2016 at 3:41 pm

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