(January 30, 2016 at 5:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(January 30, 2016 at 5:05 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Clement of Rome mentions him:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/te...tfoot.html
Peter Kirby's "Early Christian Writings" site is excellent. You should read more of it....like what he notes in the lead-in to "Clement."
Quote:Loisy maintains that the author of 1 Clement was a distinguished Roman elder who flourished 130-140 and that this Clement was named in the Shepherd of Hermas (Vision, 8:3), which is also to be dated to the mid second century. Notably, a writing is mentioned in 1 Clement 23:3 in which the challenge is quoted, "These things we did hear in the days of our fathers also, and behold we have grown old, and none of these things hath befallen us." Because this source document for 1 Clement must have been written when the hope of the imminent parousia was waning, and because 1 Clement itself must have dealt with the same issue, the document can scarcely be dated to the time of the first Christian generation. Other indications of lateness include the tradition in chapter 5 that Paul traveled to the extremities of the west (i.e., Spain) and the emphasis on the appointment of "bishops and deacons" (42:1-5). Most notably, there is stated to be "a rule of succession" for bishops and deacons who have "fallen asleep" (44:2). This suggests a second century date for 1 Clement.
Oh, please excuse me, but yes, I am not about to argue for the authenticity of the Epistle of Clement anymore than I am going to argue for the authenticity of all of the letters of Paul. Having said that, I think that both Paul and Clement were historical figures, just as Julius Caesar was an historical person.