RE: The Anonymous Gospel Manuscripts
February 2, 2016 at 4:50 pm
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2016 at 4:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 2, 2016 at 6:24 am)Aractus Wrote: Well I said he was Jewish and an early church leader didn't I? That implies he was a "Christian" or proto-Christian.I think that by the time specific reference is made to christ as lord, we're well beyond judaism and into christianity.
But at the time they were more a Jewish sect than they were a separate religion.
What specifically? in James is blasphemous in Judaism?
Quote:He's telling us about christ, the lord and savior. Refers to it constantly. A set of behavioral and ideological instructions based upon the framework of a narrative not explicitly communicated but constantly alluded to as foundational, and assumed by the author to be shared by the reader in part or in whole. Christians say alot of things, now and then.Quote:James is repeating alot of things about jesus.......the christ bit stands out.
No he isn't, he isn't telling us about the character of Jesus, but rather delivering teachings directly derived from those preached by Jesus. Do you notice that he says "hold to the faith that our lord held to" and not "hold to the faith that we have in our lord" which is what Christians now say?
Quote:The writing of James is a historical event with a historical setting. The letter tells us what the beliefs and theology of the church that James was a part of in the first century were. Theists might try to reconcile this with the later teachings of Paul given to constitute churches outside of the Jewish lands, but what we sceptics can take from it is what the theology of the church was before Paul began messing about with them.You answered a question I didn't ask. OFC the writing of james is a historical event with a historical setting. Is the -content- of james historical? I don't see it that way. I see epigraphy, see above.
Quote:Well, not so much. It's just a series of teachings taken directly from what Jesus taught (in some instances you would call his citations quotations, had he bothered to mention that "Jesus said ...")
What an incredible claim you've made. I wont bother asking how you came to possess that knowledge because I know that you don't and it doesn't matter in context.
Quote:I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. But if it's how do we go from James to establishing the historicity of Jesus,Aim lower, how do we go from james to establishing the historicity of the contents of james?
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