(February 2, 2016 at 10:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(February 2, 2016 at 1:32 pm)Irrational Wrote: First, you've already made up your mind that you can't determine what would be embarrassing to the authors.Yes, I've made up my mind that I cant determine what would embarass the author, because I cant. Yes I've made up my mind that you cannot determine what would embarrass the author, because you haven't.
Quote:So nothing will convince you that we can determine, for example, that the author(s) of Matthew found certain accepted things regarding Jesus as the Messiah to be embarrassing, and hence tried to rectify them.You have failed to convince me, let's not pretend that another cannot be convinced just to avoid acknowledging our own failures.
Quote:Second, the argument is that certain embarrassments in the Gospel regarding Jesus are indicators that they probably wouldn't have been accepted by believers of the Messiah if they weren't historical facts. Again, there is no hard proof here, just parsimony and the most reasonable explanation given the current evidence.
If the "argument" is an appeal to the probability of a question begging non-sequitur...... I doubt we have much left to discuss. There's nothing reasonable in any of this. "Hard proof" and parsimony are irrelevant to the situation at hand.
There you go. You're not going to be convinced no matter what.