(February 20, 2016 at 4:35 am)Harris Wrote:(February 20, 2016 at 3:39 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: First prove that something called god exists outside of your imagination.
As for god being uncreated - turtles all way down .
You are asking me a proof of God and this request represents your disbelief in the existence of God. You cannot perceive God through your physical senses and that for you is a sufficient justification for your disbelief. In other words, God is an irrational concept for you. For that reason, let us talk by abiding the rules of rationalism.
Can you give a proof that things that we use in our daily lives are popping out in reality from nothing merely as a consequence of our stream of thoughts which emerge out of our needs and desires?
Do you think there is anything in the known universe that has created its own being out from nothing and without any intervention of some intelligible cause?
In my opinion any healthy person who thinks on this pattern is doing nothing but deceiving himself by closing eyes on the obvious facts.
The thought that things are popping out from nowhere is not only irrational but an utter absurd.
Because infinite regression is an impossibility because it simply ends into nothingness therefore the explanation of the existence is the uncaused cause that is God.
I'm interested in proof not your special pleading. Though from theists I expect nothing more.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
Mikhail Bakunin.
Mikhail Bakunin.