Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 29, 2025, 10:42 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Natural Order and Science
RE: Natural Order and Science
(February 24, 2016 at 8:04 am)Mathilda Wrote: Thanks Alex, that clarified quite a bit for me. Especially the inverse square law of gravity increasing in strength, I should have remembered that. One question though, if nothing can go faster than the speed of light and not even light can escape from a black hole, then how can they evaporate by radiating random noise called Hawking radiation? Why do physicists think that this happens?
p.s. with Einstein, it is only approximately an inverse square, because gravity itself begets gravity in Einstein theory, which is not a thing in Newton theory. This means that once gravity gets strong enough, it boosts itself until it becomes more severe more quickly than a simple inverse square would. Hence you get extreme phenomena such as black holes.

The derivation that is most illustrative is as follows: near the event horizon, quantum field theory makes it so that pairs of virtual particles appear. Usually, if nothing is nearby, they would simply disappear again and nothing happens. If they appear near the horizon, it can happen that one of them falls behind the horizon, whereas the other one can leave. What we see as hawking radiation is then the one that got lucky Smile

One might now wonder why something falling in can let a black hole decrease. Now, virtual particles are not bound by E = m c^2, and if a pair appears ex nihilo, one of them will in fact carry negative energy to balance out the positive energy of the other. Only events where the negative-energy one falls in will actually happen. We did the calculation in my relativity lecture, but that was 11 years ago and I forgot how the details went Smile
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

Reply



Messages In This Thread
Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 16, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 16, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by abaris - February 16, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 16, 2016 at 3:45 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 16, 2016 at 5:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 16, 2016 at 6:39 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 16, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by StuW - February 16, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 16, 2016 at 7:45 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 16, 2016 at 7:46 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Mr.wizard - February 16, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 20, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 16, 2016 at 7:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:39 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 16, 2016 at 9:14 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 16, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 18, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 20, 2016 at 2:29 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 20, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 22, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Jackalope - February 18, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 18, 2016 at 9:50 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Whateverist - February 20, 2016 at 2:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Ben Davis - February 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 16, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 6:39 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 7:26 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 16, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Valkyrie - February 16, 2016 at 10:03 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by emjay - February 16, 2016 at 11:59 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 17, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by emjay - February 17, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 17, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - February 17, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 17, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 17, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 17, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 18, 2016 at 9:38 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 18, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 18, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 18, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Excited Penguin - February 18, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by emjay - February 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by emjay - February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by emjay - February 17, 2016 at 9:57 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - February 18, 2016 at 12:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 18, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - February 18, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 18, 2016 at 7:09 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 18, 2016 at 12:21 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 18, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by abaris - February 18, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - February 18, 2016 at 9:31 pm
Natural Order and Science - by LadyForCamus - February 18, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 20, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 20, 2016 at 2:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 20, 2016 at 3:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Ivan Denisovich - February 20, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 20, 2016 at 4:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Ivan Denisovich - February 20, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Ivan Denisovich - February 22, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Ivan Denisovich - February 23, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 20, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 22, 2016 at 12:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 23, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 2:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 20, 2016 at 10:26 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 5:17 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 20, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 20, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:58 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 23, 2016 at 4:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 1:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 26, 2016 at 5:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 20, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 22, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 23, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 23, 2016 at 3:24 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 1:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 26, 2016 at 3:37 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 29, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - February 29, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by downbeatplumb - February 29, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 1, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - March 1, 2016 at 4:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 2, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 3, 2016 at 4:33 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 3, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 4, 2016 at 5:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 4, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 4, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 7, 2016 at 2:48 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 20, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Whateverist - February 20, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 20, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 21, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - February 20, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 20, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 21, 2016 at 11:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 22, 2016 at 5:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 22, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 22, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 23, 2016 at 3:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - February 23, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 1:57 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 4:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - February 23, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 23, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 24, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 24, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 4:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - February 24, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 24, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 24, 2016 at 6:20 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 24, 2016 at 7:50 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 24, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 24, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 24, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 24, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 26, 2016 at 2:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 3:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 26, 2016 at 4:24 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 29, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 29, 2016 at 4:21 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 2, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 2, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 4, 2016 at 5:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 4, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 6, 2016 at 9:06 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - March 6, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 6, 2016 at 9:20 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - March 6, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - March 6, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:24 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 8, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 7, 2016 at 7:01 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 8:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 5:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 8, 2016 at 5:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 1:53 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 8, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 3:06 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - February 29, 2016 at 9:06 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - March 3, 2016 at 7:34 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - February 26, 2016 at 5:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 29, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - February 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 2, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 4:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 5, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 10, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 10, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 13, 2016 at 5:23 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 13, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 15, 2016 at 5:06 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 15, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 13, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 13, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 15, 2016 at 5:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 15, 2016 at 6:20 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 15, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 16, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 16, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 17, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 17, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 18, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - March 18, 2016 at 7:39 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 18, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 18, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 18, 2016 at 8:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 18, 2016 at 7:42 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 18, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 19, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 19, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 20, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 20, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 21, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 21, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 21, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 21, 2016 at 11:36 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 22, 2016 at 3:25 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 22, 2016 at 7:42 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 22, 2016 at 7:46 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 22, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 23, 2016 at 6:21 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 24, 2016 at 7:42 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 24, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 24, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 22, 2016 at 7:38 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 22, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 23, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 24, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 24, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 24, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 24, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 22, 2016 at 7:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 16, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 17, 2016 at 3:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 17, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 18, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 18, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 19, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 19, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 8, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 10, 2016 at 7:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 7:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 10, 2016 at 7:57 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 10, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 10, 2016 at 9:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 10, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 10, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 1, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - February 26, 2016 at 5:39 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 6:31 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - February 29, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - February 29, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 1, 2016 at 4:38 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by downbeatplumb - March 2, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 1, 2016 at 8:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 3, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 1, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:14 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 2, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 4:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 3, 2016 at 3:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Jackalope - March 3, 2016 at 4:17 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 4, 2016 at 5:16 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Heat - March 3, 2016 at 3:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 3, 2016 at 4:41 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - March 3, 2016 at 5:26 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 3, 2016 at 5:27 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 3, 2016 at 5:44 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 5:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 4, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - March 3, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - March 3, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 5:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - March 4, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 5:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by paulpablo - March 4, 2016 at 10:04 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 4, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 4, 2016 at 5:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 4, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 4, 2016 at 5:24 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by bennyboy - March 5, 2016 at 7:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 5, 2016 at 8:42 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - March 5, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 5, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by IATIA - March 5, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 5, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 5, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 5, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 4:44 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 6, 2016 at 5:33 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 4:14 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 6:27 am
Natural Order and Science - by LadyForCamus - March 6, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 6, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 6, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 7, 2016 at 7:22 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 7, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 7, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 7, 2016 at 8:57 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 5:55 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 7, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 7, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 7, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 8, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 8, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 4:50 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 8, 2016 at 5:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 8, 2016 at 5:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:10 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 5:31 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 8, 2016 at 7:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 7:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 10, 2016 at 6:57 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 7:09 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 8, 2016 at 5:11 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 8, 2016 at 5:27 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:53 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 8, 2016 at 6:05 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 5:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 8, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 9, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 9, 2016 at 9:56 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 9, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 9, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 9, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 9, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 9, 2016 at 4:09 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 10, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 11, 2016 at 4:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 13, 2016 at 5:27 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 13, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 15, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 15, 2016 at 5:47 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 16, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 16, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 16, 2016 at 10:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 17, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 17, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 18, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by FebruaryOfReason - March 13, 2016 at 6:12 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 15, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 15, 2016 at 5:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 16, 2016 at 9:50 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 13, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 15, 2016 at 5:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 15, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 13, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by FebruaryOfReason - March 13, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 13, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Rhondazvous - March 13, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 13, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Rhondazvous - March 20, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by little_monkey - March 20, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Little lunch - March 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:32 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:40 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:46 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 5:52 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 15, 2016 at 6:15 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 15, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 16, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 16, 2016 at 10:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 16, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Whateverist - March 16, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Angrboda - March 16, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 17, 2016 at 3:19 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 16, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Harris - March 17, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by ignoramus - March 17, 2016 at 4:55 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Cyberman - March 18, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 20, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Esquilax - March 20, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by Alex K - March 20, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 21, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 21, 2016 at 3:08 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 22, 2016 at 7:49 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 22, 2016 at 7:51 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 22, 2016 at 7:58 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 22, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 23, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by I_am_not_mafia - March 24, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Natural Order and Science - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2016 at 3:57 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Relationship between programming languages and natural languages FlatAssembler 13 2397 June 12, 2023 at 9:39 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Does a natural "god" maybe exist? Skeptic201 19 3344 November 27, 2022 at 7:46 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  The difference between computing and science. highdimensionman 0 536 February 25, 2022 at 11:54 am
Last Post: highdimensionman
  In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order Acrobat 84 12611 August 30, 2019 at 3:02 pm
Last Post: LastPoet
  Do Humans have a Natural State? Shining_Finger 13 3420 April 1, 2016 at 4:42 am
Last Post: robvalue
  The relationship between Science and Philosophy Dolorian 14 6231 October 3, 2014 at 11:27 pm
Last Post: HopOnPop
  Natural Laws, and Causation. TheBigOhMan 3 1963 June 4, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Last Post: TheBigOhMan
  Shit man, im a natural born killer! Disciple 37 18566 April 28, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Last Post: Cinjin



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)