(February 22, 2016 at 11:53 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:(February 22, 2016 at 11:19 pm)Living in Death Wrote: There's no grounds for evidence as what we refer to as aliens and "UFO's" besides outright speculation, argumentum ad populum and such. People claim that a vast array of people spectating the same phenomena and coming to the same conclusion is grounds for evidence. It's not. Truth is, many of these people that claim that aliens have landed or been sighted always use ad hoc to cover their arguments; the craft used hyper advanced technology to hide itself, for example.
The only way for me to believe is to come face to face with an "alien". Even then, I'd be speculative. I don't believe what randomers post on the internet, and I certainly don't buy into this conspiracy theory.
So just listened to Dr. Neil DeGrasse who doesn't have any access to classified access to information, which suggests he doesn't know what is happening at the scientific level that is still hidden by military intelligence. So for him to suggest anything, is really just BS. If you want to listen to people who have access to information that is still classified including NASA and the military who study this stuff it would be the disclosure project. Neil is provided info to pass info onto people so they believe what the govt wants them to believe. If you want to understand what they believe you have to listen to the disclosure project:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/index.shtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Well, this is the very problem; we can never know what is going on at this secrecy level, so any speculation is about as much a shot in the dark as...well, God. So anybody claiming they know something like this is being intellectually dishonest, or would alternatively be required to provide further evidence of the claims which, at the time, could simply be either hallucinations, misinterpretations, delusions, etc., etc.
It's also been known that the government have claimed that they had been covering UFO activity simply to stop people asking questions about their true intentions, ie. that "Area 51" is simply a top secret airfield for testing new, sophisticated aircraft.
Of course, we can say that aliens technically exist from what we've seen, but our evidence is once more akin to that of God and other potentially fallible beliefs.