Natural Order and Science

[Harris]

There are other possibilities than God vs. plain-jane physicalism

For example, an elemental particle might be a universe-- THE universe-- Big Banging and contracting a gazillion times a second.  That would mean that all reality is a practically infinite view of a single philosophical principle interacting with itself in myrida ways.

Or there could be a duality: mankind creates a universe-creating machine, and the universe unfolds (inevitably) to that moment over and over again forever.

Or each black hole, at its inception, might represent a new Big Bang in a kind of anti-universe, and each black hole in that might be linked to our own Big Bang in a kind of Escher-like co-creation.

I mention these because fuck it, if we're going to start making up bullshit to answer philosophical questions, let's at least have some fun.  That's better than a fucking fairytale God who disapprovingly watches teen boys jerk in the shower and commands His followers to cut off the heads of anyone smarter, richer or more educated than they are-- which is almost everybody.

I do not see any connection between your conjectures and fun.


In the secular and atheist world the major purpose of terms like multiverse, natural selection, etc. is to spread false concepts by perplexing likelihood and probability and by confusing reality and puzzles using technical jargons.

You are blaming me for playing a foul game, please go through the thread and let me know where I have gone off the track. Real fairy tales are actually the concepts such as:

Something out of nothing
Infinite regression
Self-subsistent processes
Universe in a black hole etc.

Most pathetic of all is the fact that you are using these conjectures as weapon to disprove the existence of God when you yourself are not aware whether these concepts are true or false. You have no evidence neither from the world of science nor from logic to justify these irrational concepts. Some of these concepts are simple impossibilities and others like “universe in a black hole” instead of resolving the riddle raise further puzzles.

If you are not writing all that misleading stuff on purpose then you should not lose sight of the many reasons in valuing our existence in a one, rich, and vibrant universe which is not only stable that makes our existence possible but also intelligible and predictable that gives us the luxury to learn and satisfy our desires for knowing through our systemic and procedural explorations. Such a reality even by magic is not possible in the environment of:

Something out of nothingness
Infinite regression
Self-subsistent processes
Universe in a black hole etc.

Our universe is real and rational only because of the order and harmony in all of its events. This order and harmony is possible only because of the intelligent coding system which is controlling the activities of everything in the universe for example in general no living being is growing beyond its average width and height and celestial objects are moving on their fixed paths without any deviation.

Your emotive and provocative pleads may only support your self-deception but it would never change the truth to satisfy your desires.