RE: Christian couple told they can't adopt due to their views on homosexuality.
March 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Jaysyn Wrote:All bigotry isn't equal.
I gave you ample opportunity to build a logical case for that claim, all you managed was "protected classes" and I've already pointed out the myriad of problems with them.
Quote: You'd throw away decades of people working towards social equality against a majority who didn't want to see it happen just so you can be "right".
That's bullshit, the only way to social equality is a change in social attitudes, that is not something that the government has any role in and it's a much bigger movement than the ground lost to allowing people to say what they like AND adopt/foster in the name of equal opportunity and consistent standards - The benefits to society by giving children stable homes is far greater than the ground lost to potential bigotry too.
The trend to social equality will continue with the changing social attitudes, and we do not need to become authoritarians and sacrifice our principles of equal opportunity and free speech to hurry it along. I do not just think it's unfair on the individual, I think it sets a dangerous precedent in society.
That I'm right means no more than I wasn't the one with the conceptually flawed position. I was right about you having double standards, and I was right about the social implications being worse than the alternative. No problem here.
Quote: My point, which you can't or won't see is that we as a society need to be moving away from that & the people who won't, no longer get to participate in all aspects of said society.
We ARE moving away from bigotry, by ourselves and without sacrificing our principles and liberties to the government in order to hurry along one ideal at the expense of others. Take even the southern states of the USA that are highly homophobic, allowing them to adopt or foster is not making the bigotry situation worse, social attitudes are still changing for other reasons, for the right reasons.
Quote:We aren't talking about tearing down the entire foster care system, we are talking about changes going forward. You are so worried about what people can or can't do you can't see the accumulated real damage that it does & will do in the future.
You either impose a double standard, sacrificing the principles of equal opportunity and free speech, in order to have a negligible impact on the decline of bigotry OR you maintain your principles and instead use your own freedom of speech to condone bigotry and be part of the change in attitudes, you can change attitudes without the heavy hand of the government and without setting dangerous authoritarian precedents.
Quote:You think my point is bad for the individual & I think yours is bad for society.
I think your point is bad for both society and individuals.
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