RE: Natural Order and Science
February 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm
(This post was last modified: February 29, 2016 at 4:51 pm by paulpablo.)
(February 29, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Harris Wrote:(February 26, 2016 at 3:37 am)paulpablo Wrote: Ok, I'm no expert on the subject but none of the points you're making here point to laws actually controlling anything, as I said before scientific laws are statements and predictions based on observations, they aren't a force themselves, I'm assuming you agree with that since you haven't made a counter argument, you've just given a vague definition of law.
Additionally I'm assuming your argument is for theism, I still don't see the significance of laws in relation to the possibility of God.
All forces in the universe are acting on the line of some pattern or principle. Take away those principles and those forces will start acting randomly which in result bring nothing productive. Forces acting without certain principles are like a moving car but without a driver. Therefore, although laws are not forces in themselves however they are crucial in maintaining order and harmony in any activity.
Quote:A scientific law is a statement/description based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspects of the universe.
This is what a scientific law is.
Statements are the things people say. Descriptions are things people say that describe things. So a scientific law is what scientists say, and what they are saying things about is things in this universe. And they are based on experiments/observations.
The things people say about things don't control those things. If I say my car can go fast my words aren't making it go fast, it's the motor inside the car making it go fast.
And surely you aren't saying that just because patterns exist then that's a sign of god. That's like pre civilization mentality. Like a caveman who notices it get's hotter than usual once a year and begins to worship the yellow ball in the sky that seems to make it hot.
If you say something again which makes me think you still don't understand what a scientific law is then I'm just going to assume you're being deliberately deceptive or you have a such a low IQ that explaining it to you again will be futile and you understand what a scientific law is will be impossible. I've repeated many times that I don't know about scientific theories much at all but I know enough to try and explain what one is to you and I've got to the stage where it's like I'm trying to explain it to a child.
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